You keep capitalizing Liberal. I like that. After all America was
founded by liberals using liberal principles.
That's all pretty much dead now, but I think its worth keeping the ideas
floating around in case somewhere else others want to live with the rule
of law and rights granted to individuals rather than what is going on
When you mention evasion, I can't help but think of Bush. He has done it
his whole life and it is working pretty well for him.
"There is... an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth,
without either virtue or talents... The artificial aristocracy is a
liberals, not statists. Your views are statist, not liberal in the
classical sense. You don't espouse individual liberty for anything
other than personal gratification or moral depravity.
Yep, pretty much dead now, you can't critcize the sitting president
(see your comment below) without dire reprisals, you can't worship where
you please, you can't travel anywhere within this country without
government permission. [Note to the irony impaired, the prior was
Let's look at your other statements above, " ... want to live with the
rule of law" Actually, those who founded this country wanted to be able
to live with a minimum of laws and controls and set up the constitution
accordingly. Your modern definition of liberal seeks to impose more and
more laws to limit individual freedoms to engage in commerce or
industry, to regulate political speech by limiting the ability to air
political speech more than 90 days before an election unless you are a
member of a specific protected group (i.e. a politician running for
office or a member of the press). Not at all what the founders had in
mind. "... and rights *granted* to individuals" The founders are
spinning in their graves over that one. The fundamental thought in the
Constitution and even before that, the Declaration of Independence, was
that individuals are *endowed* with inalienable rights and that
repressive governments take away those God-given individual rights. The
constitution does not *grant* individual rights, it affirms them and
limits the governments ability to take away those rights.
The things you are decrying as removing freedoms are actually laws
that were enacted to make sure that those seeking to really destroy
those freedoms and most likely yourself. The laws you are indirectly
referring to are directly aimed at the groups who are seeking to destroy
the way of life you claim we have already lost and help prevent those
groups from being successful in their quest.
Just can't avoid adding those little hate-Bush digs, can you?
What I'd like is to see the entire electoral process reduced to 90 days.
Period. Nominate and elect. Screw this nonsense now: try to watch news or
sports, and here's some fumblewit telling you how great he'll be at a job no
sane many would want.
Within reason. It is in the interpretation of that within reason that problems
arise. No one group or philosphical concept has the entire answer and all of
those I've checked are wrong on significant areas.
We now have the most repressive government we've had since the '50s, yet the
guy and gal on the street thinks it's a good thing, that government is doing
what it can to protect us. Not so. The current growing tendency to think that
growth of government is a good thing is frightening to anyone, Liberal or
Conservative, who takes time to think. Government in its growth phase is not
benign. But, then, when you read the "man on the street" responses in polls and
articles, it's a wonder things aren't worse than they are. Regardless of
agreement or disagreement, the lack of thought that goes into most responses is
astonishing. We can probably be grateful that no more than about 50% of the
populace bothers to vote.
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain
I tend to agree with Gerry, although Home Depot may be the exception. I'm
Canadian too and am familiar with the retail industry and the low wages that
the front line workers get. As to the people that work at Home Depot in
stores that I've gone to in Toronto, they appear to be typically more
experienced and knowledgeable that your average employee. Haven't asked, but
their outlook suggests that they're a little better compensated. They remind
me a little of the employees at Lee Valley Tools who are *all* extremely
experienced and knowledgeable. Don't know what they make either, but work
attitude goes a long way to making the premise true.
I'd have to agree. Lots of the HD folks (and LV) are older and many have real
experience. Not at all like retail in other areas. I'd be curious to know
what range of salaries they make, since they seem to attract and hold onto
good staff. I noticed on the HD in-store recruiting ads that they offer a
bunch of benefits as well.
Try a locally owned store.
I have this funny habit of finding part time jobs in the current hobby
I'm in. In high school, I worked in a music store (instruments, not
recorded), and at other times I've worked in radio control shops and
bicycle shops. All of these jobs enabled me to buy my fun stuff at or
near wholesale, and meet others with the same passions.
Every one of these stores had the owner(s) on premise, and all but one
was considered to be the best in the area at what they did. Besides
the involved owner, all of them shared the idea of hiring those who
were known well to the shop, employees were never drawn from a stack
of applications. The full timers at these places NEVER seem to leave,
all of them are paid well and treated well.
I've enjoyed every minute working in these places, even if it's just
"lackey" work like unloading a tractor trailer full of bicycles. <G>
That's the impression I got from someone a few years ago.
That's another thing...every HD or Lowe's employee I've
talked to has liked their job, which means a lot to me. The
only real complaint I've heard was from a guy in a paint
dept. who said they are understaffed in his oppinion, so he
can't get things accomplished the way he feels they should
be. He was considering transferring to another store, but
wanted to stay with the company.
Thanks for all that...those are all things that are very
important to me.
So do I, and wonder why someone would present such
an ignorant bit of "information" to anyone else, especially
in a public forum.
Damn the SOB I'm currently working for...a greedy,
dishonest asshole who lies to and about his employees
for no apparent reason other than to hurt them, who
never realizes his own mistakes meaning that he makes
a lot of them (since he can't try to get over making them
if he won't even acknowledge them), at the expense of
those who are trying to work for him (as well as himself).
Not damn him to Hell, but damn him to what he deserves!!!
Ok, so what does that mean? Most businesses that use
forklifts have good drivers and bad ones. Just like any other
job. The guy I know used to load my steel hauling truck
and was one of the best I've ever seen. I'm not too shabby
with a forklift myself. Have you ever ran a forklift? Ever
screw up and bump something or dump something? Anyone
who has used a forklift for a while and says they haven't
screwed up is lying.
Hmm... 1 mile north is the Borg. 1 mile south is the ACE. Am I looking to
buy a tool, bit, roll of duct tape or shower door?.. go North. Am I trying
to find a slightly smaller thingy that will fit my existing thingy and still
allow me to use the bigger thingy on Thursdays?..Go south.
Would you be happier at "the Borg" or the Ace? That's where you should look
to work. IMHO.
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:44:35 GMT, dh email@example.com wrote:
I've known people working for HD a long time and they enjoy it. You
don't always get (nor should you expect) to always get a particular
shift, nor a particular department. A person who stocks prolly should
not expect more than $10 an hour, if that. Working at the
headquarters, is very very different, and HD has won awards for "a
good place to work." Personally, I'd prefer to work close to where I
live to avoid the (wasted) commute time.
That's a definate consideration. I could get a job working in
lighting production (which I did for about the past 7 years, and
off and on for about 20 years), paying a good bit better, but
that would require driving 1 hour+ each way every day, and I
would pretty much have to be married to it. I want to get away
from that, and just have a simple job I go do, and then go home
and try to enjoy my own life for a change.
What I'd really like (I think) is the kind of job where you go
*live* it for periods of time like a couple weeks or a month, and
then you're off for a week or so at a time. I wanted to get on
with a big local lighting company that did a lot of touring and
offered such opportunities (I'd been thinking about that for 15
years), but they closed their location in this area just about the
time I finally wanted to go to work for them :-( That's life...oh
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