Definitely confused, because I never claimed that
Stanley used the wrong term, I never claimed that
"rule" was incorrect. In fact I suggest the
references that you could use to find the
acceptable term. I suggest you go back in the
comment tree to Amused's 1/31 comment showing that
different manufacturers use different names.
This is by far too tedious and you are too
confused to continue.
Only Snap-on and DickBlick were inconsistent.
Stanley, Starrett, Lufkin and General all use "rule" consistently, and
I pointed this out. I own products by these manufacturers, and as I
said, I consider them authorities on the subject.
I don't hear people bragging about the Snap-on, DickBlick or Rhino
ruler they own, and I don't consider them authorities.
And you relied:
So apparently I'm an idiot for considering Stanley et al to be authority.
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"Precise rules are necessary for precision work."
"Precise rulers are necessary for precision work."
Does precision in language trump precision in communication? I would submit
that in this particular case (admittedly a contrived example), a rigid
adherence to a specialized definition, could well create confusion in a
If you feel the need, you may express your opinion at length and I would
stipulate that whatever opinion you express would have it's passionate
defenders, only noting that entirely opposite opinions would be able to
muster supporters, too.
BTW, the only reason I've bothered with all the research is that I happen to
believe that precision in language is important, as long as a rigid
adherence to the rules is not used as a bludgeon to stop all language
So, after some research, I am quite prepared to accept that "rules" is
probably preferred, in some arenas, but would argue that "rulers" is
accepted in others. (It's a machinist's rule, it's a graphic artist's
I remain unconvinced that in the general USENET format, (specifically
rec.woodworking) "rule" is superior to "ruler". I am willing to accept that
in another NG, rec.machinist (if there is such a group) "ruler" might be
However, a question does emerge.
"Why would "rulers" be considered correct in schools, (a primary training
arena for language), but incorrect in all other applications?"
I started to make a list of answers to your last
question but it became too surreal.
For example, teachers are the rulers in school so
call the stick of wood a ruler and use it to
enforce the rules.
Won't bother to add more.
Boy oh, boy.
In some academic circles, that care about that kind of thing, it seems that
there is a developing theory that language
mutation/migration/development/whatever is accomplished by ... females.
Females traditionally, and still, are the primary source of language
learning, and in addition, females are still the primary teachers in the
lower school grades when most of the language is learned.
Can you see it coming, now?
Most non-technical females probably wouldn't know about a rule/ruler
specialized definition, and it wouldn't be until much later in the
educational process, when highly trained technical males assume control of
the training, maybe even in a post-secondary training, when the distinction
would be made. For everyone not in those particular disciplines, there is
every likelihood that they would have never be exposed to proper
definitions. That would also provide one possible explanation why, in some
of the "softer" disciplines, where precision is not so emphasized, that the
distinction is not as recognized as in some other disciplines.
BTW, this particular theory is mine, alone, developed from an afternoon
reading various language development sites. I wouldn't want to share it in
any serious psychological newsgroup for fear of inducing catatonic howls of
Well, it's a working theory until a better one comes along.
I've been reading a ShopNotes article on using electrolysis to clean rusty
steel tools. I have all the necessary equipment, except "washing soda",
(NOT detergent!) I have no idea what that is, nor does SWMBO. Tomorrow, I
will visit the local store and see if anyone THERE knows what it is.
Washing soda, aka sodium carbonate. Close relation to baking soda
(sodium bicarbonate). A "GOOD" hardware store should have some, and
the bloke behind the counter (unless he (or she) is a spotty youth)
should know what it is.
Schools are funny things. In Oz they teach the kids to do measurements
in centimetres. Very few "real world" uses, with the exception of
fabrics and possibly a few others.
All most all trades use millimetres and metres. The Cabinet trade uses
Millimetres or "mils". eg, 2400 mil, Building uses metres eg 2.4
I received several useful suggestions, but stumbled on a solution, that is
Shop Notes had an article on using electrolysis to clean steel tools.
Sounds crazy, I know, but I tried it this afternoon and it worked amazingly
Using a auto battery charger, you immerse the steel tool in a solution of
water an sodium carbonate, (a water softener found in cheaper detergents)
and BINGO. In an hour or so, the tool is covered in a black soot-like gunk.
Rinse and scrub lightly with a scotch brite, and the tool LOOKS BRAND NEW.
I've done two rules this afternoon, with tremendous success. The numbers
pop out on the shiny *new* surface. (It will not "fill in pits" but they
won't have any rust in them, either)
This morning, I "cleaned" an old Craftsman block plane. (You have to remove
any wood or brass parts, BTW) Again, it took two hours but the results were
CAUTION: We're talking water and electricity here. If you do something
stupid, it's gonna hurt!
This article is very long, but detailed.
: >>Over the years, I have acquired several metal rulers, some of
: > I received several useful suggestions, but stumbled on a
solution, that is
: > awesome.
: > Shop Notes had an article on using electrolysis to clean
: > Sounds crazy, I know, but I tried it this afternoon and it
: > well.
: > Using a auto battery charger, you immerse the steel tool in a
: > water an sodium carbonate, (a water softener found in cheaper
: > and BINGO. In an hour or so, the tool is covered in a black
: > Rinse and scrub lightly with a scotch brite, and the tool
LOOKS BRAND NEW.
: > I've done two rules this afternoon, with tremendous success.
: > pop out on the shiny *new* surface. (It will not "fill in
pits" but they
: > won't have any rust in them, either)
: > This morning, I "cleaned" an old Craftsman block plane. (You
have to remove
: > any wood or brass parts, BTW) Again, it took two hours but
the results were
: > most pleasing.
: > CAUTION: We're talking water and electricity here. If you
: > stupid, it's gonna hurt!
: > This article is very long, but detailed.
: > http://users.andara.com/~pspencer/nsaeta/electrolysis.html
: I read some of that article. Hexavalent chromium was
: IIRC was the subject of "Erin Brockovich". Not such a good
: when stainless steel and electolysis meet!
Yeah, that's what the article says. Your point is?
Shame it's so ignorant - there are better guides around. The hexavalent
chromium scare is flown again, and apparently you can clean aluminium if
you're careful (you can't).
Good process, but a bad page on it.
: >This article is very long, but detailed.
: Shame it's so ignorant - there are better guides around. The
: chromium scare is flown again, and apparently you can clean
: you're careful (you can't).
: Good process, but a bad page on it.
Good destructive criticism, too; got anything along the lines of
positive criticism? Or don't you know what that means?
Personally, I enjoyed the article and have found
verification/confirmation plus more details very easy to find.
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