SIGH... all I wanted to make yesterday is an inbox for my desk. I want
it to have sides that slope outward at 12 degrees.
FIRST ATTEMPT: ROUTER TABLE - DOVETAILS
First I tried my router table to make dovetails. I cut the ends at 12
degrees first and cut the tails. So far so good. The I cut the pins but
they were cut at the wrong angle. So I recut them but the DT don't fit
together, even if I pare the triangles as indicated in the Incra through
SECOND ATTEMPT: BAND SAW BOX JOINTS
So I tried box joints on the band saw by tilting the table to 12
degrees. To make a long story short, I didn't appreciate the results...
THIRD ATTEMPT: MITERS
By trial and error I came "close" to a workable miter joint but I don't
like the look of miter joints and cringe at the thought of securing it
correctly during glue up, as the joint is sloped 12 degrees. I tried a
number zero biscuit which holds the corner in alignment but how do I put
pressure on the joint?
Finally, a question: can anyone point me to a book or net source that
describes (I need pictures) how to make a box with sloping sides with a
joint other than a miter?
(Maybe I'm not really cut out for woodworking...)
oh, and please don't suggest a multi router. :)
we ALWAYS have an earthquake coming... <g> beats driving in the snow
during the winter months, I'll tell you (or minus 15 degrees). (Of
course some parts of CA get snow, but not where I live or visit).
Wonder if angled dovetails are just beyond at this point?
Lock Miter router bit, precision positionable fence with zero
clearance insert and a couple of jigs to hold the parts while
you route them?
BTW - you in the SF Bay Area - I'm in San Jose. If you're
close enough you can try it - on a JoinTech rather than an
Incra. Bring cut scraps of the stock you're using so the
set up works for them. Can make an MDF "template" for the
two cuts so future set up - with the same lock miter bit
becomes a no brainer.
Why not ask David Eisan. I saw him doing joinery seminars at a woodshow.
I liked when he would post progress pictures of current projects.
Explaining how he decided on things and why. Rather than just a, "I'm
finished" picture. What happened to them?
<snippage of a report of a tough day>
I'm sorry, Dave. I guess you were the karmic balance for the day I enjoyed
in my shop yesterday.
An older friend came by, to 'help' me with a project for his house. When
he was younger, and healthier, he could woodwork rings around my current
skill level, which has increased over the last couple of years. But he's
getting older, and has some fairly severe limitations on how much he can
do, and yet there is this project which must get done soon, and be done
well. See, his mother, in her late '80s, is needing to move in with them.
So I spent pretty much the whole day in my shop with, and for, him, doing a
project that has to be done soon. Wore me out physically, but shored me up
emotionally. He watched and visited, consulted and told stories.
Planes and thickness planers, table and miter saws, mortises and tenons,
glue and clamps. Working out the plan as we go along. Simple work, but
There are maybe 10 of my other projects in various states of completion,
and two new tools still in their Delta boxes, but nothing more important
needed doing yesterday.
It was a good day in the shop. Sorry if you were the balance in the
Seriously, all of this, (and all of life, if you want to get
philosophical), is a learning experience, and we are a work in progress.
I've sent three big boxes of scrap to my father's firewood stack since
Christmas. If only it was that easy to be rid of mistakes in other modes
Take another whack at it Dave! I've seen angled sided in-boxes. They can
be made in a home shop.
thanks for the words. I'd like to see my dad take up a bit of
woodworking so we can pass some time together in my shop "doing" instead
of me just showing him what I've done. He's done tons of handyman stuff
on his house like hardwood floors, tile shower and counter, decks, that
sort of thing. The only pieces of WW equipment he has is a Crapsman TS
and a Delta 10" miter and neither of them comes out from under wraps much.
I'm sure the satisfaction of helping a friend FAR outweighed the
temporary thrill of unpacking a new tool! We should all be so blessed
to have someone who cares and who puts that caring into action.
I'm sure the angled sides boxes CAN be made in a home shop; the question
is can they be made in MINE! :)
Charlie offered to help me with this but I hate to take up his time...
Just be thankful that you can at least show your dad your projects. Many of
us don't have that opportunity. You always get to define what success means
to you in whatever you do. Success can be doing woodworking with your dad
or success can be spending time with your dad, your call. Success can be
finishing an in-basket with sloped sides or success can be spending relaxing
time in your shop, again your call.
Larry C in Auburn, WA
"Bay Area Dave" < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message
There is no doubt I've been blessed with the time with family and friends,
particularly in a stressfull 2003.
My shop time has been truly sawdust therapy. When my cell phone would ring
while spending time in a woodworking class, those I couldn't ignore often
were told that I'd return their call after I got done with my "meeting".
It was enlightening to observe how my productivity and creativity in my
paid profession increased, as I spent more mental energy solving
woodworking problems, and less time beating my head against the wall,
whilst other divisions struggled to solve challenges half a world away.
And my family says I'm easier to be with, too.
On the sloped, mitered sides challenge, consider using glue blocks attached
with hot melt glue. This tip courtesy of the jewlery box guru at Diablo
Woodworkers, in Pleasant Hill, CA, Jeff Trager. I think there was
something in one of the publications I read recently as well.
hi dave. how bout miter joints and after glue up go back to the
router table and cut keyways in the joints and make some keys out of
another species of wood for contrast? makes a good looking and very
strong box. skeez
I did think about the contrasting keys as I was fooling around with the
mitered joints, but the whole mitered look leaves me cold. Plus I'm
unable to think of way to clamp them. Not saying it's impossible, but
just can't envision it. A strap won't work due the 12 degree angle.
I've thought that maybe I could use carpet tape to stick some wedges on
near the joint to provide a perpendicular surface to clamp...
Man, this is should be a relatively simple project! What's gonna happen
when I get to the china cabinet??
Hate to tell you but I was working on some small boxes/drawers for a
hanging tool case. Not double angled boxes, but the front or side was
angled and I cut dove tails by hand. Not that hard. Fronts for these
drawers where cherry and they where 1/2 blind (not the easiest to cut
by hand.) Took a little longer, but now I know that I can handle the
angled dovetails without a problem.
Think about doing it by hand. Not much longer than with a machine if
you have to do all of this setup.
FWW had an article on hot glue applications and one of them was gluing
wedges on angled glue ups to get parallel surfaces. I've messed with double
sided tape before and I don't like it all that much (sometimes it slips --
crappy when you're template routing) and have wondered what hot glue would
be like. I have no experience, so just "words" of advice, not actual "I did
this and it worked".
Works great and is not nearly as prone to slipping as double sided
Have almost stopped using doublesided tape and instead reach for the
hotmelt glue gun anymore for temp fastening while working
LOL welcome to the WWOWW [wonderfull world of wood working] as far as
clamping you can hot glue or nail or screw blocks to the bench and use
wedges to clamp the wide part of the box then cut a hole in some MDF
of scrap plywood a little larger than the small part of your box.
place the cutout over the project and clamp it down evenly to pull the
joints together. hope all this makes sense to you. i can see it in my
head!!! lol..... you will be placing the box top down on the bench if
that helps. if you set up a jig to do the keyways you can make it look
as if you used dovetails or box joints. i saw some pics of this some
place but im not sure where. ahhhh the memory is the first thing to
go!!! :-] skeez
as far as the sloped side all you need is a miter box. set up some
stop blocks on the miter saw as you would for crown molding. whatever
angle you want will work. you set it up so the wood sits at an angle
and only have to cut 45's just as you would cut crown on a standard
miter saw. this saves all the figuring of angles. i have a compound
miter saw BUT i almost never set it on a bevel. instead i use one of
my standard miter saws. the compound saw collects dust most of the
time. its not that i cant figure out the angles its mostly because its
easier to do it the old fasioned way for me. skeez
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