Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going about
35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my truck
might have escaped unharmed.
Anyway, the good news, as many of you have already figured out, is that
I get to buy a new pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size
pickup and I'm thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the
F-150, or any other full size pickup for that matter? Suggestions?
Ford??? You've had a Toyota and you're considering a FORD?!?
Sheesh. In my opinion, that's like wrecking a nice Powermatic table
saw, and then seizing the opportunity to get the nice new cabinet saw
from Harbor Freight. Just because it's shiny and new and looks good
on paper won't make it a better saw. Stick with what works. Toyotas
are just as "American" as anything else now.
(Remember - opinions are like butts - everyone has one, and most of
My opinion is buy used. Several reasons for this are it is cheaper. If you
can get by without the new car smell, and are flexible about options and
colors, you get a whole lot more bang for the buck.
If you buy a new one you got a serious depreciation in the first few years,
and that is paid for with borrowed money, even if you borrow from yourself,
the money you spend is not available to buy tools or continue to grow for
BTW dodge makes a nice diesel lots of power and great fuel economy. Cummins
engine is better then the Toyota, Ford or Chevy.
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
Roger Shoaf wrote:
> BTW dodge makes a nice diesel lots of power and great fuel economy.
> engine is better then the Toyota, Ford or Chevy.
THe engine in the Dodge comes from a joint venture in Rocky Mount.
It is a whole different animal than a Cummins from Columbus.
Why is it Ford & Chevy are closing plants, and Toyota is opening them, Jan. saw an assembly open in S.A. Tx. Then Two week ago, starting another in Miss.
I too have a Tacoma, 8 yo, 235000 mi. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.
I think you should buy that "Find On Road Dead".
Over the last couple of years I've come to regard my Toyota Tacoma as my
<BR>most essential tool. I've hauled dozens of sheets of plywood, hundreds of
<BR>2x4s, and probably close to 700 board feet of hardwood. Unfortunately, the
<BR>Nor'easter here in MA this last Friday had me skidding of the road into a
<BR>ditch, wrecking my Tacoma. No other cars involved and I was only going
about <BR>35 mph at the time. If the shoulder had been level with the road my
truck <BR>might have escaped unharmed.<BR> Anyway, the good
news, as many of you have already figured out, is that <BR>I get to buy a new
pickup. HOTDAMN! So this time I'm going for a full size <BR>pickup and I'm
thinking of an new F-150. Anybody have any opinions on the <BR>F-150, or any
other full size pickup for that matter?
*snip and trim*
Ford and Chevy are still selling power. AFAIK, they have nothing to
compare to Toyota's offerings of gas mileage and design. IMO, the
Prius's competition is the Yarus. Ok, so you can't get plywood in
Another interesting thing I noticed was that all the minivans on
fueleconomy.gov were rated for just about the same 20 mpg.
Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
No opinions on cars or pickups. I have, however an opinion on decks.
The deck, extending through the tailboard, needs to be wider than 4';
preferably 4'2" or 4'4". Makes transporting sheets soooooo much easier.
I guess your 'full sized pickups' would probably meet that ...
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You need to get your fluids checked, you are at least a quart low.
I have dealt with the American automotive industry almost all of my
As a result, drove American made vehicles and suffered what was the
expected maintenance and repair problems.
Bought a Tacoma in 1999, now has 115,000 miles on it.
Changed the oil and filters every 3,000 miles, got a tune up at 90,000,
bought maybe 6 tires, nothing else.
My understanding that is very common performance for Toyota products.
With that kind of a track record, about the only decision you need to
make is what color Toyota do you want?
Yeah, buddy! My next truck, when the current Dodge RAM loses favor, will be
a used 2 or 3 year old Toyota Tundra, if I can find one ... I can guarantee
The Dodge has been OK, but it won't pass up a gas station.
Yes. My nephew is a service avisor at one of the biggie Toyota
dealerships in Kansas and races a Tundra..with a factory approved
supercharger. He gets better mileage than an off-the-shelf F 150 Ford
with waaaay more power available at his wish.
That truck is some tough. Looks great too.
I am in the market for a couple of Dodge Sprinters, in a couple of
years we'll find them used. When reasonably maintained they're a
500.000 km van. (All Mercedes parts)
In fact, you can buy, for around $ 250.00 US a grille and some hubcap
plugs which are Mercedes and fit perfectly. The Sprinter IS a MB. 5
cyl turbo diesel.
Just FYI, the Sprinter is also available through Freightliner, another
US company that Daimler bought a few years ago. In fact, it was available
as a Freightliner a year or 2 before Dodge started selling them. The
only differences are a few cosmetic items.
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
The '07 is so full-sized that Toyota dealers were required to get at
least one new lift in the service bays before they could have any to
sell. Seriously! <G>
I've loved my Tacomas, which were built in Fremont, CA in a former GM
plant that also builds the Pontiac Vibe:
I think I'd give the new Tundra a year for beta testing, but I'll
offer an anecdotal side story about why Toyota seems to be gaining
I bought an early 2005 Tacoma, three months into the redesigned
model's production. The early production '05's had three notable
defects, a cowl water leak, cab mounts that are too short, and noisy
rear springs. Mine was late enough to miss the leak, but it had the
cab mounts and noisy springs. The cab mounts created a condition
where it sounded like someone was kicking the floor of the cab when I
went over potholed roads.
I brought it it for the "kick noise"... This was actually a pretty
minor noise that lots of people might say, "It's a pickup, turn up the
radio", etc... What did I get? No games, no "they all do it"
(which they did! <G>), just an appointment to fix it _right_. The
repair, a 4-6 hour procedure, involved jacking the cab off the frame
to replace all six cab mounts. When I picked it up, I mentioned the
squeaky rear springs in passing. The service manager himself walked
outside, sprayed some aerosol lube on them, walked me back into the
dealership, and ordered the replacement springs. In about 4 days, the
springs arrived and I had a repair appointment.
Never did I do anything more than ask about the problem! No bitching,
no threatening to call "corporate", and no hard feelings. Both times
I got service surveys from Toyota, and I couldn't give them enough
praise. This was the first time I'd ever dealt with the dealership,
who also sold it to me for a very fair price with no games or BS. All
three of the issues were fixed on future trucks with running
engineering changes on the line. The affected serial numbers and
build dates are clearly noted on the pay-access Toyota technical web
site. Every body screws up sometime. Reputable operations put the
rubber to the road when they have to. I have no doubt that this is a
manufacturer that clearly WANTS to be #1, and not just with a silly
I HATE spending big bucks on cars, but two years later, I don't think
I've ever enjoyed a more satisfying, perfect vehicle than this Tacoma.
I can see me driving it even longer than the '85 that I put 305,000
On the flip side, my 1999 Jeep Wrangler (TJ) had the identical rear
brake slave cylinder issues as my 1989 Wrangler (YJ)! <G>
If anyone wants the Connecticut dealership's name, email me. I don't
want to be accused of shilling. <G>
If it is a legitimate complaint and not just an inherent trait the dealer
gladly will go for warranty repairs. If the problem that you complain about
is a design problem that is not really a problem other than something you
don't like then you are pretty much stuck with the problem.
Way back in the early 80's the Oldsmobile Cutlass G body had a wide AC
register that was on the passenger side of the dash. Regardless of what fan
speed the motor was set to you were not going to get more than a slight
breeze out of it. We had tons of complaints and there was no fix other than
a complete dash and air duct redesign.
My Subie, which is normally a reliable brand, had clutch issues from
day one (literally). I sold the car @ 39,000 with no satisfaction
from the warranty. Two dealers refused to disassemble the clutch
unless I agreed to pay if Subaru denied the warranty claim.
Bought a 68 Wagoneer from the factory in 70. 4WD, every option known to man
and driven by one of the managers. Last Jeep I ever bought. If it had Only
nickled and dimed me to death, I might have kept it longer.
I do know that I watched a new F150 going down the street a couple of months
back and the quarter panel flexed in and out rapidly with each and every
slight bump in the road. A few weeks later a new F150 and an S10 pickup
were both in a head on crash at an intersection. The speed limit is 35 mph.
The S10 hardly looked damaged, the F150 had the right side if its front
suspension torn out. The front wheel was gone.
Most tests put the F150 in almost to completely dead last when compared to
Chev, GMC, Toyota, and Nissan. Some times the Dodge Ram is in dead last
position. The F150 typically gets the worst gas mileage and has the worst
All that said, I think the F150 is probably the best looking new model
Food for thought.
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