From the link:
"You can discourage rust a number of ways. For my woodworking tools, like my
table saw and jointer tops, I use Automobile Paste Wax. I put it on fairly
heavily and often. It seems to work well. There are also cream waxes, but
these contain some water, so I stick with paste. "
Automobile paste wax frequently - Real Frequently - contains silicones.
Silicones are not conducive to decent finishes on wood. As wood passes over
a waxed surface containing silicones it picks up some of those silicones and
renders it difficult to finish.
Use Boeshield or Johnson red stripe paste wax.
This was a jump off the page issue. After seeing this, I did not bother
reading the rest of it.
Many "automotive polishes" do.
Automotive "paste wax" is much like Johnson paste wax - usually high
in Carnaubu, along with mixtures of paraffin , beaswax, and what have
you - but NOT silicone.None of Turtles "paste waxes" including super
hard shell, super hard shell carnaubu,extreme paste wax or liquid
paste wax contain silicones. Nor does the original formula Simoniz,
which is still available.
How do you know that...I can't find any info that says one way or
another what the wax product ingredients are. Their FAQ on
silicones/polymers simply says silicones are polishing agent additives
but doesn't say there's not some included in any of the waxes.
I certainly had been led to believe the lore; would be pleased to know
certain whether is/isn't...
On 7/5/2010 9:30 PM, email@example.com wrote:
You've personally analyzed every such product on the market? You have a
source that has done so?
Per <http://www.turtlewax.com/res/msds/T411R.pdf , Turtle Wax PLATINUM
SERIES ULTRA GLOSS PASTE WAX contains 7-10 percent Volatile Silicone
Sorry, but Johnson and Butcher's have a track record, car waxes do not.
If you can provide a list of car waxes that are silicone-free and can
back that list up with test results you'll be doing a useful service,
but your blanket statement is just plain wrong.
Beware of Mr. Rust
Some people have a reputation for rusting everything that they hold. These
people have unique body oil. I don't know if it contains metal salts, high
moisture content, or low pH. If you have guests in your shop, be careful
about letting them handle good steel or tools. You might be the first to
discover that Uncle Bert is one of those guys with a corrosive touch.
If you have this unique body oil, consider wearing cotton gloves oiled with
something like Breakfree CLP to keep your body oils off of tools. Breakfree
CLP is a multipurpose teflon oil designed to clean, lubricate, and protect
metal. Another approach is to wash your hands and give them a light rub with
mineral oil before handling metal.
Really??? I have never heard of that one.
ago, and when I returned to the shop the next day, the owner showed me his
hand prints. Also, in my own shop, I move my stuff around alot (I started
putting casters on my machines 20-something years ago), and I sometime grab
the top to pull or push it. It is clear that I cause rust in those areas..
Maybe I am Mr. Rust!! LOL
Dear goodness no! The chemistry is rubbish, the workshop advice
Besides which, where do you buy affordable lanolin these days? I've
been trying to buy a litre or two for the last couple of years. You
can't even buy it on Bradford any more.
A dairy supply house.
On this side of the pond, they sell it under the "Udder Balm" label.
It will also be lower cost than you expect.
Prevents galling on S/S sailboat rigging.
No self respecting sailor leaves port without it.<G>
I've not seen "Udder Balm", but our local equivalents in the farm
shops have too much in the way of additives.
At present, the closest to pure lanolin I've found is for treating
horse tack. This is creamed and has solvents added, but as I wanted to
make leather dressings from it anyway, they seem to be compatible with
the rest of my recipe. Trouble is that the price of anything horse-
related gets steep.
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 04:00:46 -0700 (PDT), Andy Dingley
eBay, Andy. Hmm, interesting. It's not for sale in the UK. You might
be able to talk a seller into shipping it to you, though.
It's also helpful to realize that this very body that we have, that's
sitting right here right now, with its aches and its pleasures, is
exactly what we need to be fully human, fully awake, fully alive.
-- Pema Chodron
"Good article"? "well-written"?
The writer understands *nothing* about the chemistry of rusting, as shown by
this statement in the second paragraph: "When iron combines with oxygen, it
forms iron oxide, or rust. "
That's just not true.
Rust and iron oxide are *not* the same. Rust is *hydrated* iron oxide; that
is, iron oxide that has combined with water. Steel and iron oxidize
readily, but *cannot* rust unless they get wet.
Another false statement: "Rust is really Fe2O3, a reddish form of iron oxide."
No, it's not. Rust is hydrated iron oxide, Fe2O3 * nH2O.
And the advice to use automotive paste wax on woodworking tools is waaaaay off
base. Most automotive wax products contain silicone, which interferes greatly
with many wood finishes. (Google "silicone fisheye" for more information.)
Depending on your ambient humidity, *non*-automotive paste wax such as
Johnson's, Minwax, or Butchers may be adequate to protect your woodworking
tools from rust. It works for me in Indianapolis, with my shop in the basement
and protected by dehumidifiers. It doesn't work for Leon in Houston.
IMHO, this article is best ignored. The author is demonstrably ignorant of the
cause and mechanism of the formation of rust, and gives clearly bad advice
about the use of products to prevent its formation.
Hey Doug, I agree with your post. I remember some of my organic chemistry
from decades ago, but not much. I know what ferrous oxide is, but I never
was good at keeping it away.
I use a scotchbrite pad under a random orbital sander, and then coat with
Johnson's paste wax. I had been looking for a good and more permanent
coating for my tops when I came across this article.
I have a hard-headed friend who has used Turtle Wax for decades and he won't
be swayed. We both run larger volumes of stock through our machines that
whatever is put on there doesn't stay long. Most stuff ends up going
through a sanding process and any wax residue goes into the dust collector.
I do agree with you 100% about the problems of silicone.
I didn't answer all of your post, but time is limited.
Have a good day, woodstuff
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