Would someone explain to me why 8/4 cost per boardfoot is
almost twice the cost of 4/4 per boardfoot? I don't under
stand how 4/4 oak is around $3.30 a boardfoot and an
8/4 is close to $7.00 a boardfoot. Rough cut in both
Again, the measurements are in boardfoot so the
thickness shouldn't cost more on a boardfoot basis,
2x per board foot seems a bit steep.
Steve Wall <www.walllumber.com> lists red oak 10" or more 4/4 at $3.20/BF
and 8/4 at $3.85/BF. Doesn't say if the 8/4 is the 10" or more, if not,
4/4 select is $2.70, so 8/4 is $1.15/BF more or $3.30/LF more than 4/4.
$3.85 vs. $2.70 is 42% higher. Maybe it's the supplier you are using
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:14pm (EST-2) email@example.com
(Mark & Juanita) doth sayeth:
<snip> Maybe it's the supplier you are using
Depends partly on what part of the country one is in too.
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
But that's assuming larger sizes are rarer. In the case of lumber,
shouldn't thicker boards require FEWER cuts, and therefore be cheaper
per bf? To a certain extent, of course - I understand that super wide
stuff is rare. I also understand that lumber prices vary a great deal
by location, but I don't know how that would affect 8/4 vs. 4/4
Really I don't know much about lumber pricing and wood product
economics, just tossing out my ideas.
For something a little more concrete than ideas, I'll toss out the
link to my favorite lumber dealer, where bf prices for 8/4 are
generally $1 more than the 4/4 prices.
Oak, Peruvian walnut, and mahogany are the only species with a bigger
price disparity between 8/4 and 4/4, so maybe it's harder to find (or
to sell) 8/4 oak for some reason.
The price is on a curve because a tree only gives up so many boards.
The wider, or thicker, the board, the fewer it gives up. Sure, there's
a tad less waste with thicker lumber, but there are also fewer 2x6s in
a log than there are 1x6s. The law of supply and demand for a tree
simply states that when you get fewer of an item out of a particular
basic material, you have to charge more per unit for that item.
That said, a few years ago, I lucked onto some 12/4 and 16/4 8" wide
cherry that has lasted me until recently...at a price that was
giveaway. Fortunately for me, the tree's owner didn't want the thick
boards, so the mill sold them to me for $75 (basically, a full-sized
pick-up load, with board ends almost dragging the ground all the way
home (3 miles). I never figured the board feet, but the shortest board
was 10' and the longest 13'. A guess gives me roughly 250 bf. The best
part: a LOT of flame cherry in that mess (also a LOT of scrap).
Well, yeah, but *that*much* more?
Interesting thing, though -- at the lumber supplier just up the road from me
the price premiums for 8/4 vs. 4/4 are 14% for ash, 25% for cherry, 20% for
cypress, 25% for poplar, 50% for walnut -- all about what I'd expected -- and
68% for red oak and 78% for white oak!
Why would the premium be so much more for oak than for cherry?
And why is it only 4% on hard maple?
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
On Dec 12, 10:50 am, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller) wrote:
I can't even begin to guess: I wouldn't pay a cent premium for any
thickness of white or red oak, but around here, red oak is a near
dominant species (tulip poplar beats it, as does SYP), and white oak
is plentiful. In fact, so is cherry and walnut and ash and...I've
always been willing to buy green and rough and wait a couple, three
years, which is a fine way to save a LOT of money on wood, if you have
a planer and jointer on hand.
That could be it but there is also an inventory business model that supports
charging more for slower moving expensive products. To justify the time the
slower moving product sits on the shelf the seller marks up the price to
justify the time and space being taken up.
SFWIW, years ago had a tennant who was in the hardwood lumber
He told me his cost/board ft was the same for either 4/4 or 8/4
lumber; however, the 8/4 retail price/bdft was more than the 4/4
That would sound right. Call it a "benefit of variety" mark up if you will.
If the larger slower moving board has a turn over rate of 2 per year and the
turn over rate on the smaller board is 6 times a year it would make more
sense to not stock the slower moving larger board and stock more of the
faster turning boards or mark the larger boards up so that the total sales
profit is the same for either board in any given year. Every square foot in
a warehouse and or retail floor space is an expense that has to be
considered when deciding on how much of what to stock so that the net profit
remains in the black.
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:09:48 GMT, email@example.com (Doug Miller)
absolutely! i think you found the brass ring doug. also the cost of
fuel to run the kiln comes into play and we all know how that is! It
takes more than twice as long to dry 8/4.
I buy green and air dry it to save some money but that takes some
planning ahead and sometimes ya just dont have the time!
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