from his reply to me. In my book at that moment he became an instant asshole.
I liked his dad, we even had coffee once many moons ago when I worked for
Eatons, but Robin is just a poor imitation of his old man.
Chris, you are missing a bit of history. This guy has "expressed" a
strong bias against Lee Valley, and you should take a look to see the
kinds of comments he's been posting. The thread subject is "Americans
seem to be getting a better deal from Lee Valley" but he's set the
X-No-Archive flag on his messages, so you won't find his postings on
google groups; you'll have to find them on your local news server (or
someone could provide you with a copy).
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:32:05 GMT, "Chris Melanson"
Only if you utterly ignore context. Which most of the people on this
NG were smart enough not to do.
Robert has a beef against Lee Valley, a company many of us have dealt
with and like quite a lot. About the only use he makes of this forum
is to snipe at them. It gets real old real quick and not unreasonably
produces resentment on the part of the people who choose to wade
through his bile.
No, that is clearly not what he was doing.
Then you obviously didn't read very closely -- or you have a damned
odd definition of 'condemn LV'. Study up on 'implication'. If you
honestly believe that statement then you're the sort of prize sucker
that both US presidential candidates are so earnestly courting right
Implying that Lee Valley was gouging its customers.
If you thought you could buy that $20 widget for $5 you're the sort of
idiot who keeps Harbor Freight in business.
Good Lord! I'd expect anyone with the smarts to read this news group
to be well aware of the fact that the market is flooded with
woodworking tools that look alike but don't perform anything alike.
That's elementary and if you haven't figured it out by now then you're
wasting your money buying cheap crap that will make you work harder
and won't deliver the results you want.
How about "if one person is fed up with a twit, a lot of people are
probably fed up with the same twit"?
And you will undoubtedly be disappointed -- if you're truly comparing
quality for quality.
Robert is merely an annoying little net troll. You OTOH are positively
"You Know Things Are Weird When Arnold Schwartznegger
Is Governor of California, Ronald Reagan Is One Of Our
Most Beloved Ex-Presidents, And John Kerry Is Running
For President On His Vietnam War Record"
I decided to go to my son's school fitness walk this afternoon rather
than go to Princess Auto.
But as I said earlier... I saw 60" aluminum bar clamps at House of
Tools a few months back on sale in the same price range. They were
I've never ordered anything from Lee Valley and had garbage arrive.
So while $12 may be an incredibly low price for a 60" aluminum bar
clamp, what you're buying is a $12, 60" aluminum bar clamp.
They're a different colour (and that's about all you can see from the
Given the way of such things, either LV are having cheap red clamps
specially re-painted to their order, or these are the same red clamps
I see eveywhere else. Now the Princess photo is unreadable, but the LV
photo is reasonably good. The LV clamps aren't the same as the red
ones I have, and strongly suspect mine are the same as the Princess
Do Princess Auto have any good deals on KlueHammahs ? We clearly need
One thing Lee Valley don't sell though:
Soooo...we still don't know if they're the same clamps, albeit with
Clearly? I'm a huge Lee Valley fan Andy, and as such I'd like to be
able to tell Robert to go fuck himself after I confirm that the
Princess Auto clamp is of much inferior quality to the one provided by
In the alternative, if they are the same clamps, I'd like to be able
to say to Robert "thanks for the heads up, NOW go fuck yourself".
Hey man, I'm on your side. Chill out - you're only feeding his need.
Try reading Fine Woodworking (it's a magazine - I doubt you've seen
it). Last issue had a large head-to-head on different clamp brands.
Now for your "Princess Auto" clamps, they look awfully similar to ones
I get here in the UK as "Silverline". I love these clamps, even
though they cost me $25 from Screwfix. They're still pretty cheap, and
they're lightweight. They're very badly made though - everything is
sloppy, half the pin retainer clipss are missing, and they have the
worst rolled threads I've ever seen. Still, it means I can afford a
dozen "sash clamps" and they weigh little enough that I can use them
all on one glue-up without crushing it.
The Lee Valley product is obviously different - I can see at least
five differences from the ones I have, from the colour to the amount
of slop and loss of vertical register.
So, if you want the Princess ones, go to it - you won't regret it. If
you want something a little better for what is still a pretty low
price, then look at the LV ones.
[ Going for the woodworking tie-in... ]
'Member the one about the blind ship's carpenter who could name any wood by
The two sailors run off to find an old Lady de' Evening, way past her prime
"Oak door off a tuna boat!"
Har. Har. Har...
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