In the SF Bay Area, 8" jointers with a pedigree regularly exchange owners
for in the range of US$800 to US$1000. Similar quality 6" machines are
around US$400, depending on circumstances.
I would personally be pleased to have space in my shop for a good quality
8" machine, at those prices particularly. However, to make one fit, I
would need to build another place for storing hardwoods.
Machines of questionable parentage or care history seem much harder to
resell, at any price.
Get the 8". Even if you don't use the full 8" at any given time, you
can still move the fence to an area where the knives are sharper. A
larger base means better stability. Unless you are cramped for space,
bigger is better.
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:09:16 GMT, "Dave"
I started with a 6" and now have an 8" and I am really glad to have it. It
has a longer bed, so it is easier to joint a longer board (even if it is
less than 6" wide). Many times I have needed the extra width. In fact, I
am looking for a used 16" jointer as a companion to the 8".
If you have the space and extra money for the 8", I would go for it. You
won't be sorry.
My Jointer was a once in a lifetime purchase..(Rockwell 6"..purchased
new in the mid 60's...) and to be honest pretty heavely used...over
the 40 odd years I have owned it...
IF I were buying a new jointer I would value a longer bed lenght
over extra cutting width.... 90 percent of the time all I need is 6
inches...but I do get "PO'ed) the 10 percent of the time I need an 8
But truthfully when I edge glue up table tops or panels etc very
rarely do I want to glue up poieces wider then 4-5 inches anyway...
In short...bed lenght is more useful (to me, my work, and my needs )
yours may vary... ..
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:09:16 GMT, "Dave"
If possible, find a woodworking store(Woodcraft as an example)
and go see a 8"(DJ-20) sitting next to a 6"(Pro series) and
that will answer any question you have about which to get.
The difference is beyond description.
It seems to me that a jointer is a once-in-a-lifetime purchase.
Not really. A Freud 6" knife set at Amazon.com is $19.75 and the 8"
is $25.46. Less than $6 difference. On the other hand, by moving the
fence around to distribute wear, you go longer between knife
sharpenings on the 8" machine.
Maybe think about buying a good used 8" machine? Then you're paying
the resale price, which it should hold indefinitely. Figure on new
knives (have the old ones sharpened and kept as back-up), maybe a
drive belt, and you're in business.
Folks can debate and chew the fat over this one for a long time, but
the bottom line is space, cost and functionality. Some folks don't
have the space, some do. Some have financial limitations/other
responsibilities and have to be more responsible in spending, and some
folks simply don't need an 8" jointer for type of work they like to do
and the occasional +6" wide piece that comes up.
I had a 6"er for 7 or 8 years, and from time to time would resist
ripping wide boards down, and face joint 8" wide boards by hand with a
#5 to get them into the planer, and did just fine. I happened to have
the cash, and bought a DJ-20 last fall and I've never looked back.
I've put about 5 to 600 bd ft (maybe more) through it so far, and face
jointed some 7" wide cherry just last night, and am still thinking to
myself "what a great machine this is."
Take your pick, whether its Grizz, Delta, Jet, Powermatic, General
International or some other brand, you generally get a more powerful
machine, longer beds, more stable platform, better adjustment
mechanisms - it all adds up to a better user experience and a bit more
flexibility. Incremental costs on blades or sharpening, well, I can't
get excited about that all too much. If you go larger, you will
likely not regret it. For me it is a once in a lifetime buy, as I
won't sell it while I'm alive. When I give it up for the afterlife
there'll be one hell of a garage sale!!
Any ideas out there? Can you do almost as much on a 6" machine as an
On 9 Aug 2004 14:19:19 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (Mutt) wrote:
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Almost everything he says is accurate. I've face jointed a bunch of
eight inch board on a six inch jointer. It's like using a hand plane.
You look for the high spots and cut them down. Flip the board and do it
again. It's a kludge. Don't underestimate your ability to get flat
board by this method if it's all that's available to you. I can afford
the 8". I'm low on space, I wonder how long it will be before I want
something bigger. (10", 14") I'll probably get an eight inch. Envy?
Convenience? My point is... don't let anyone convince you that if you
have only a six inch jointer you dasn't touch a board wider than six
inches. Search the web- the techniques are posted. Save yourself some
sweat and buy the eight inch if it's practical but don't let anyone
convince you that you're condemned to ripping everything to six inches
if you don't spring for the wider jointer.
OK, to start off, I am a newbie and probably don't know what I'm talking
about here. But just doing the math, isn't an 8" the same as two 4"
jointers? I suspect a lot of 4" and less sized lumber is run through a
jointer. Therefore you might get more utility out of 8" blades over a 6".
At least that's what Norm said the other week when he was surfacing some old
barn lumber for a sheep shearer's table.
BTW, I recently ordered a Powermatic Model 60B 8 incher. I got it from
Amazon who advertises it now for $1,069 I believe. But I called the number
they have on the 60B's webpage, they sold it to me for $1,016. Plus you get
a $25 discount, which I applied to the lift gate service. I think the
marginal difference over the Grizzly G0500 was worth it, but what do I know?
$163 + liftgate service differences are "marginal" to you?
That's a 20% change, Gary. I'd have rated that "whopping"
and say I did well getting that and the extra 3 inches
on the Griz landing strip (8x75 vs. 8x72 for the PM). And
what about the extra blade for smoother cutting on the Griz?
Y'all do things differnt down yonder, ah reckon.
Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects.
Hey, you're pretty good at math, except the $25 liftgate charge was offset
by the $25 discount from Amazon. I thought long and hard about the Griz. I
couldn't see how a company could put out a quality machine for less than
half the price of a DJ20 ($1,669.99 at Amazon). It may very well be, but
when I think of Grizzly, I think of Chinese knockoffs and bottom fishing the
market. I think of those nice looking clamps I bought six for $10 that
broke on the first squeeze. I think Powermatic has a reputation of
producing premium quality machinery, a notch above Delta in many cases. At
least when it was produced in America.
And yeah, $163 to me is marginal, its about 3 tanks full of gas for my
pickup these days.
Ah, er, gee, without sounding way too stupid, it seems to me that if
you plan to keep an 8" jointer for, say 15 years, $200 either way is
not material to me if you get satisfaction out of the machine, e.g.,
quality manufacture, no hassles, works right, works right
consistently. That's about three cents a day over time (bean counters
may argue for some discount to present value, but I'm a simple man).
With cigs now priced at 25 cents apiece (at least in these parts)
whaddaya really talking about. Smoke one less butt a day and you're
way ahead of the game. Quit altogether (I'm tryin, believe me, I'm
tryin...) and after a year or so you can get one of them fancy 5hp
automatic feed, dual fence Swiss Blurfls, then the quality of your
work go way, way up, and supermodels will be banging on your door to
"date" you. Hmmm, now that I think of it, thats maybe some additional
motivation to quit smoking, eh??
Hmmmm, well, you got a point, but a buddy of mine was a chubby chaser
and he seemed to like it..... his point was that they were really
Oh, gee, that's really sexist, but what the hell...lets turn it around
and say a "real" supermodel were to want to be "nice" to fat, bald,
old, gnarly me, hell, I'd be really appreciative!!
I used a good 6" jointer for 10 years and have been very happy with
it. However, earlier this summer I got a good deal on a used 8"
Powermatic. I now wonder why I struggled with the 6" for so long.
The longer tables of the 8" make even narrow stock MUCH easier to
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