Yes folks, its cheaper to heat with electricity!

[Doctor Drivel]

Oh look! A plantpot.

[Doctor Drivel]

6% overall.

[Andy Hall]

It was a great job that needed to be done. Managing to achieve that, the demise of Red Robbo and all the rest of it was a masterpiece. It didn't even require low cost tickets on Quaintass.

James Hammett would be turning in his grave but ultimately would be a pragmatist

[Doctor Drivel]

Yes, in between him colouring in. He was very good. Right to line and not over.

As Liverpool was a world financial centre, and the second richest city in the world, over 100 years ago, it falls in line. Barclays is the old Liverpool Bank. 100 years ago Tokyo was a ramshackle wooden, filthy place.

Did you see Time Team on TV last week? The one of the Old Liverpool docks? It explained the rise of the port and how it became the first "World City".

A recent think tank put Liverpool as the best location for a new capital. It is geographically centre of Britain and on the right side for Ireland and nearly borders Wales. The Jocks will be happy as it is nearer. So, the cantankerous conquered people will be happy. The flood threat means this move may be accelerated. The Scousers may not like it though.

The financial centre and capital should be apart. It works better that way.

[Andy Hall]

That was the one mistake - paying benefit. With a slightly better play, that could have been withheld and Arthurs demise accelerates

Actually they haven' t really done that yet. There are large amounts of money in reserve without clear targets. In the short run the socialists will waste it. Longer term common sense will prevail before that mney runs out.

The market price for gas and oil is universal.

There aren't many wimmin in the cabinet

Quite right too

[Doctor Drivel]

Another Little Middle England brainwashed plantpot!

[Steve Firth]

Bullshit.

One of my mates was a miner at the time, now he works in New Zealand, as a miner, making about twice what he used to in the UK in a cleaner, safer environment. He's happy. Large numbers of miners had transferable skills once they sat down and thought about it. They could get jobs in construction, transport, engineering and management and many did. It takes skill, brains, teamwork and self-reliance to be a miner and once they had to think about alternatives many miners discovered that they could get a better job than the one they had been doing.

[Steve Firth]

The Miner's strike was 1984, the "Dash for Gas" was enabled by legislation passed in 1990. But don't let facts trouble your hysterical outbursts, you never do.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Er true. About 3% each same as a nuclear power station.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Is that the leather bound sort?

No, but neither is living a happy comfortable life. The further north you get, the less stuff that you can actually eat, grows.

The vegan eskimo is a bit of a larf really innit? As is the vegan Lapp.

There is land here where food crops don't grow, that support browsing animals that are very tasty.

Vegan stuff works in the Mediterranean and sub tropical climates. It doesn't work here. The main protein sources from vegan diet - the pulses - are not that spectacular here: You need as you say eggs fish and dairy. Once you stuff cows on the land, (or feed them corn you could have eaten) you might as well eat the calves you dont need any more as you want to steal their milk.

I can accept we eat more meat than we need: I do not accept the a vegeterian or vegan diet is a way to save the planet though.

Indeed.

[The Natural Philosopher]

A gigawatt is a million quid a mile, and about a billion quid for a nuclear power station.

So 1000 miles is break even point. 500 miles is the break even at electricity costs of half nuclear.

windmills cost MORE than nuclear.

Go figure.

[Doctor Drivel]

Oh look! A plantpot.

[Chris Shore]

The thing which really did it for me was walking through Cambridge market place past the Socialist Workers shaking buckets for the support the miners fund while the record shops were full of the BandAid single raising money for millions of starving people in Africa. I'm afraid there was really no contest as to where my money and my sympathy went.

Chris

[Doctor Drivel]

Oh look! A plantpot.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Indeed. What with grants and the like the Welsh valleys are now slowly repopulating and are pretty decent places to live.

I've been down a coal mine. It is possibly the worst working environment I have ever visited, and I have visted a lot of it, before manufacturing died the death.

[Chris Shore]

I'm afraid I find your total inability to maintain anything resembling a sane and polite discussion even sadder.

[Chris Shore]

...seems very much "on one side" to me...

...who wants to be near to Ireland? More important to be nearer to Europe I'd say...

...which benefits who, exactly...?

...except for the ones who don't want to be part of the UK at all...

Chris

[Dave Liquorice]

Eh? a tidal barrier generates when ever there is suffcient difference in water levels either side of it. They can generate on the ebb *and* flow. Yes there will be times when the water levels are equal but management of the level behind the barrier can minimise those. The water behind doesn't

*have* to get there through a turbine, it can be let in (or out) through a sluices as well.

[Dan Sheppard]

My experience of Greenland is that the diet there is exactly to my liking, and would probably place vegetarians a rather difficult situation. I believe in the extreme south of the country they've grown some potatoes now. But Musk Ox and Reindeer are very tasty (like a subtle beef and a gamey lamb, respectively), much more than the moss and low grasses that they eat. Much of the diet is fish, of course, which is tasty, too, as it's not had time to go smelly.

The other great staples of the diet seem to be Faxe Condi, something between Seven Up and Mountain Dew, made from grapes in Denmark, and Haribo sweets. I suppose that the high carb density makes them efficient to fly and ship around.

Also, hotdogs are very popular, particularly the lovely Danish ones made inside hollowed out baguettes.

Useless things like salad etc have to be flown in.

Dietary nirvana.

Dan.

[Jon Green]

I'd recommend using your killfile, if Outlook Express supports one (I haven't used it for over a decade:). If it doesn't, you might want to consider one of the many other (and usually better) newsreader programs!

Jon