Worcester Bosch Greenstar won't fire up

[TMC]

Hi all

as in the subject (sons house)

was working last night but not this morning

stripped outside condensate pipe which was full of ice

Still wouldn't fire up kept going back to reset light

For some reason as yet unclear the pressure gauge showed as 0.0 bar (there was a bit of a drip from the pressure relief pipe when I warmed it up on the outside wall)

All of the rads in the house in use house occupied all weekend no evidence of a leak

Re-pressurised to the bottom of the green on the gauge

Still not firing

switched everything off then on again all the lights come on burbles a bit and then goes to the reset light

Time for the heating engineer?

[Dave Liquorice]

Internal tank still full? I believe some boilers collect condesate then have an automatic siphon to dump it in a whoosh rather than just a dribble all the time.

[geoff]

In message , TMC writes

So it looks like the pressure relief valve might have some crud on the seating. Press it to let a bit through to see if it clears it

There should be an overheat stat somewhere which requires a manual reset (look in the manual). Reset it

There is no such animal

[TMC]

Hi

went back later in the afternoon to look at this. Switched boiler on pressed reset boiler now works

Doesn't seem logical to me as the boiler had not fired up since the previous evening and a reset attempt had been made at 5.00am so any time delay should have kicked in much sooner I would have thought

[Mathew Newton]

As Dave mentioned could the tank have since emptied, perhaps sufficient times to clear the backlog of condensate? You didn't mention whether you'd emptied it having cleared the blockage.

Mathew

[TMC]

As Dave mentioned could the tank have since emptied, perhaps sufficient times to clear the backlog of condensate? You didn't mention whether you'd emptied it having cleared the blockage.

Mathew

Hi

Nope never touched the tank at all and the boiler was left switched off at the isolator after the last failure to reset

[The Other Mike]

Assuming the drain is clear you don't need to empty the condensate in the boiler as gravity does it for you, on first commissioning you actually put fresh water into the condensate trap. Then, if fired up from new or after a long period of power being removed then Greenstars fire at a minimum rate for 15 minutes in order to ensure the condensate trap in the boiler is properly full, although this mode is clearly indicated on the 7 segment display "-II- alternating with boiler return flow temp"

My bet is that there was a massive amount of water in the casing and it didn't all drain out until much later.

[Mathew Newton]

On Nov 30, 11:31=A0am, The Other Mike

That's what I was thinking - perhaps if the condensate backs up enough then it may require manual intervention to expediate its drainage.

Mathew

[TMC]

That's what I was thinking - perhaps if the condensate backs up enough then it may require manual intervention to expediate its drainage.

Mathew

I would go with that and also that there was probably still water in the internal pipe run as the boiler is not on an outside wall but in an old airing cupboard

Now looking at a 32mm insulated pipe on the outside

Thanks for the replies

[Thomas Prufer]

Oh yeah? Whadda *you* know about it, then?

I recall us even having having a "sanitation engineer" and "sanitation workers" in the US. (That's "trash truck driver" and "bin emptiers" to you.)

Thomas Prufer

[The Other Mike]

When mine backed up all I did was defrost the drain pipe as it came through the wall. Once the 6 inch long x 3/4 inch diameter slug of ice was removed the 20ft run of pipe in the house that wasn't frozen, plus the water in the combustion chamber drained away by itself. It took a good few minutes to drain. Once the water stopped running I turned the boiler back on and it ejected a few more drips of condensate and then went into low firing mode for a few minutes and then started to work as normal.

When the boiler decides to dump accumulated condensate it's little more than pulling the plug on a sink. The water drains away from the bowl, yet the u bend always remains full. I can't see what additional manual intervention is needed unless the boiler is installed in zero gravity.

[Bob Eager]

All of which are incorrect uses of the term 'engineer'.

(unless they are actually Chartered Engineers, of course!)

[Andy Champ]

I'm fairly sure there is. Worcester Bosch, for example, probably have several working on new boiler designs.

But don't confuse Engineers with repairmen. Or mechanics. Or train drivers.

Andy

[geoff]

It's Thomas making a joke

give him space ...

[geoff]

Yeah, I had a girlfriend once whose uncle was a fuel technologist - he stoked the furnace at the local hospital

I REALLY wouldn't want a central heating fitter trying to "engineer" (AKA 'it it wirra 'amma) anything on my boiler

As in sunny deutschland, I think the term engineer should be protected, nicht wahr ?

How's the senf and gluhwein down there?

[geoff]

Point made

[Bob Eager]

Yup. I was reading another discussion about it in "Engineering & Technology" recently.

[Thomas Prufer]

And I know some engineers I wouldn't trust to stoke a fire. Or 'it something wirra a hammer, either.

Ach, it is, but the "sunny" is a foul slur. (Though the Fachhochschulen are moving in on the turf of the Universitäten, and anyway there's this new Bachelor and Master stuff coming in. "Bologna"-Process and whatnot. Don't think they considered that "baloney" is American slang for "bullshit".)

We have the wonderful word "Heizungsmonteure", heating fitter, which is what most do, bolt a box to the wall. Not as nice as a word from a video asking young folk to consider a career as a "Wärme-, Kälte- und Schall-Isolierer und

-Isoliererin"*. You get a lot more letters for the same three-year apprenticeship!

6" of snow down, and one Markt downtown is reputed to have a pretty deadly Glühwein, fortified with a single malt...

Thomas Prufer

*) "Heat, cold, and noise Insulator or Insultress".

[djc]

Insulated from the Insult(ress)?