Wind scam revealed

[Tim Streater]

Just a big con job.

[Davey]

I don't need to follow any links to know that.

[The Natural Philosopher]

+1.

Just listen to harry.

One lie after another.

I think he is Chris Huhne and I claim my £5.

[harry]

So what is the figure for nuclear power?

Not many people are needed to run a wind turbine, They run largely unattended.

Why relate costs of a wind turbine to the amount of jobs created? They are not labour intensive. This is just drivel.

[Tim Streater]

£8.50 with subsidies.

[Nthkentman]

Yesterday was international Wind day apparently. Whatever that might be.. Brian

[Brian Gaff]

Yesterday was international Wind day apparently. Whatever that might be.. Brian

[The Natural Philosopher]

On the contrary they are highly labour intensive. They need repairs every few weeks. The mean time between failure of most turbines is 6 weeks or so. That may not be a crucial show stopper, but if the turbine is not regularly maintained it can and will fail completely. Over their lifetime the capacity factor of wind turbines falls from 'what the wind is doing' to 'how many turbines are actually still capable of functioning' and by the time they are 10 years old its gettng cheaper to replace them rather than fix theme. At million quid a megawatt capacity.

And there are a lot OF them

I don't know what the operational staff of a nuke is, but it's one plant that replaces 40,000 windmills. I'd guess at less than a hundred to *keep it going*. They do run themselves. Of course if there is a problem, and it goes into 'unplanned outage' the operational team simply shuts it down, takes it off line and then the engineers arrive to investigate it and fix it. That could be anything from replacing a pipe that's leaking, to replacing an entire boiler assembly, or in the limit, closing the entire plant forever if the cost of fixing it is beyond the value of the thing. As hjas happened to all but one of the MAGNOX reactors.

Even with massive subsidies, many US windfarms are simply left to rot, because the income left in them isn't worth the cost of fixing them. They have never been decommissioned.The same applies to solar plant.

The fact is that renewable energy is high capital cost, high maintenance cost, high energy cost in manufacture, low capacity factor and unreliable capacity availability, that falls overtime as the kit wears out..

I spent Christmas in the Århus area years ago,next to 10-12 big turbines. Usually 3-4 were not turning.

Its not unusual to see similar on any windfarm whose turbines are 'out of guarantee'

So you are as usual talking pure lies harry.

[Brian Gaff]

No you got it wrong, that contains greenhouse gasses, that will make things worse. You need to adapt an enema kit so the gas goes into storage and then you can use it to heat a foot warmer in the winter.

Brian

[Martin Brown]

I regularly pass some particularly unreliable ones near Elwick on the A19 where 2 out of 3 are frequently feathered and dead in the water. Fairly good windy location as well with classic old windmills on some of the hills nearby. It is not a lack of wind that is the problem.

The Samsung plant near Gateshead is the best maintained windfarm I have ever seen manages to keep 9/10 working most of the time which is quite impressive. Theirs were pre-owned and so possibly a good buy. They did at one point result in the A19 being closed after one caught fire.

Sadly I have to agree with you there.

Is that so unusual?

[harry]

You make these stories up as you go along. Arhus is the Danish wind turbine centre of technology where many new designs are tested. So if some aren't running it's hardly surprising.

[harry]

Conventional power stations catch fire. Tilbury, Didcot and Kingsnorth most recently Motor cars catch fire every day.

What's your point? Why do you bring up these irrelevant things?

[harry]

Oh and here's a nuclear power station caught fire.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Weaselling up to usual standard.

These were not R&D machines harry, we werein a village 20 miles away, and these were pure commercial turbines.

[Scott M]

13 years ago.

And whilst being, and due to, being decommissioned.

Yep, you've convinced me.

Scott

[Dave Liquorice]

The ones on the M6 near Lambrigg normally have 2 of the 5 dead, that's assuming any are going round at all, 2 out of 3 times I pass 'em they ain't 'cause there is no wind.

Was up near Tow Law the other week again several of them feathered.

[Dave Liquorice]

Story dated "2 May, 2000", text in story:

"Trawsfynydd was taken out of commission in 1993 with the last of the spent fuel being removed from the site two years later."

So five years after the fuel was removed. Non-story if ever there was one.

[Steve Firth]

Fire caused by a welding torch. Presumably Harold Halfwit considers Polesden Lacey and Windsor Castle fires to have been nuclear incidents.

[Davey]

Good question. Why do you, harry?

"Oh and here's a nuclear power station caught fire."

[news]

That's not a "Nuclear power station caught fire". Its a "demolition site caught fire"