You can only have permission from where you downloaded it if they have permission to give you permission, which they don't have.
But do you steal them?
They have licensed it to you to use in a particular way. I bet you would complain if someone took gpl code and sold it as their own and its the same thing.
Its not even legal to rip CDs.
You want nothing to do with the EU so only UK law applies and you can't legally bypass DRM.
The ability to descramble the CSS system used on DVDs is the intellectual property of the DVD consortium, and is only available (legally) from them under license. So if you are getting the capability elsewhere, then you are stealing it.
(I fully appreciate that no one outside of the DVD consortium and a large number of lawyers GAF, but that is still the reality)
Not quite sure what you are getting at? You mean that you have to buy a DVD player to play DVDs and that includes licensed code?
Hardly any different from pretty much any technical product these days, most of them are built on licensed sub systems which mean somewhere fees are paid, or more likely, cross licensing deals done.
The tools are almost certainly illegal under the anti copyright circumvention provisions of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act.
Why do you think the media industry has worked so hard and long trying to shutdown providers of circumvention tools? They have managed in many countries by suing similar legislation. They finally managed to kill slysoft a few months ago after years of trying. (fortunately they were able to phoenix under a new jurisdiction)
Its not quite that. IN the US it is illegal to supply crack software. No matter how so derived.
Remember when you couldn't get Libcrypt in the UK? Because the USA wouldn't allow it to be exported...you had to download the Berkely source and compile it....
There is some argument that the US law makes it illegal for banks to use encrypted web sites..it is of course the usual total mess.
But that law is not applicable outside the USA, so its perfectly legal to download it (libdvdcss) from a European website for example.
Where the UK position seems to stand is that 'lawful copying' - making backups or making code available for other devices that don't have a DVD player is OK. Selling copies is not.
Actually its totally completely different.
Law of tort again. No gain, no breach of law.
It isn't.
Shit the f*ck up and look it up.
It is.
UK law doesnt apply when we are part of the EU stupid.
Its the same, you are in breach of licensing conditions. You have cost the copyright owner cash as you haven't paid the license to use it in another format. If they had wanted you to use it in a different format they would have granted you that use rather than charging extra for a different format.
Why don't you!
Yet again you are losing it just because you are wrong.
No it is not!
Do you want a bet on that? Its legal to carry firearms in some parts of the EU but you won't get away with it in the UK.
The EU doesn't make UK laws even if you think it does.
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Of course the joke is, that the article you linked to shows why they abandoned changes to UK law because it was due to be superseded by EU law anyway.,
Poor Dennis.
BTW libdvdcss is supplied under FRENCH law, and it is not illegal in France to supply it. So there is no question of 'stealing the code'
But it hasn't.
Who mentioned stealing the code?!
"Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the circumvention of any effective technological measures, which the person concerned carries out in the knowledge, or with reasonable grounds to know, that he or she is pursuing that objective."
libdvdcss does not contain a key extracted from a licensed player, so does not have a problem in the way that DeCSS did. However it still circumvents a protection mechanism, and so contravenes the EU and UK versions of the DMCA. The fact that there has never been a legal challenge does not automatically mean its "safe".
Once you can circumvent it, hasn't it ceased to be effective?
Not with those who are careful to not do anything illegal.
ISTR you did. You said downloading the code and installing it was an act of theft.
So its neither legal nor illegal. Of course the interesting thing is e.g what happens if you uses a LEGAL DVD player to stream to a recording device...
IN fact the directive as framed, would seem to say that a DVD player itself is 'effective technological measures, which the person concerned carries out in the knowledge, or with reasonable grounds to know, that he or she is pursuing that objective'.
Which means that buying a DVD player is just as illegal as installing dvdcss.
Well exactly.
Lawyers who don't understand IT are marvellously bad at framing law.
There is a distinct possibility that the use of encryption on the internet may be made illegal by lawyers trying to privacy.
Bang goes online banking.
Not of the code, you are using it to steal the rights you haven't paid for.
HDCP, macrovision, etc.
Both are usually fitted to players to prevent copying so your recorder is defeating them so you are still doing something illegal.
Do you not remember the video boxes available to fix copy problems when VHS was the media for recordings.
That is not what you said.
You said that one would be stealing the code that does the decryption.
And, if the law says that you dont have the right to make a copy of a DVD, that is actually less of a right than you had before digital media., ..
You can even video your TV...screen!
No I didn't and I doubt if anyone else thought I did.
You are learning.
That would be why its legal to video a cinema screen then just because you can.
No in Britain and a lot of EU countries you can get what you like but American'ts don't have a free country. Unless you count free to kid themselves. But apparently they have to use a third world ISP so it all kkind of works for them.
Did you ever hear of what their maufacuring was like in the good old days, with planned disasters. They learned it all in WW2 apparently. I think that is why Windows is so widely loved there.
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