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In the UK it is everywhere. Rural Scotland is strewn with fly tipped garbage, as is England to a lesser extent. Towns and cities in the UK are just plane dirty.

In Switzerland the problems are just in one place. They are not generally scattered.

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That varies quite considerably.

There are similar problems in Zurich, Basel and Geneva.
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But only in one place in each, and it is contained.
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As it is here, St. Pauls Bristol, Moss Side Manchester, Brixton, Toxteth.
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One place in each city/conorbation? Please.
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Indeed, on the TV news this week the Dutch government were reported to be sending thousands of illegal 'asylum' seekers home, and demolishing the seedy, infested blocks of 'soshal housing' with the intention of replacing same with up-market housing. The pictures broadcast did not give me the impression that here was an example if IMM's vision of a clean, well-ordered Euro country. It looked more like down town (= run down) Lahore or Cairo.
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:37:33 +0000, Mike Mitchell

There is a difference between London -- and particularly Heathrow -- and the rest of the country. London and its major airport are, IMO, vile: a friend of mine (visiting from the US) described London as having " a pervasive smell of rotting Big Macs" :-( London's all round unpleasantness is matched only by the baffling belief of its inhabitants that they live in a "world class" city.
This country does seem intent to make its major airports follow the traditional path of its main railway stations: i.e., to immediately confront the arriving passenger with the worst the country has to offer. I have wondered in the past how first-time visitors to the UK react if they have an early-morning arrival into LHR T3 and have to transit to another terminal, given that the conditions in both the T3 waiting area and the transfer buses would be illegal if the passengers were farm animals ...
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:48:35 +0000, Julian Fowler

Airports anywhere are not great places and especially when extended piecemeal as LHR has been. All of the terminals in the central area are appalling bad in terms of the arrivals waiting areas partly because too many people show up when one or two would do, not to mention some of the ridiculous arrangements for arriving and departing passenger segregation.
Even the airports that were built from scratch don't hold their glitter for very long. For example Franz Josef Strauss in Munich was so clean at one time that it could be mistaken for a hospital it was so sterile. Now it's starting to look distinctly shabby. Lower traffic airports like Oslo Gardermoen have superb wooden floors etc. and have managed to maintain a good appearance, but have a tiny fraction of LHR's traffic.
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wrote:> >There is a difference between London -- and particularly Heathrow --

Heathrow is 100% better than it was 20-25 years ago. I used to arrive from Middle Eastern airports, such as Riyadh, which has fountains and large marble Busy Barclay staircases spiralling around them, then arrive in Heathrow, which had cheap polyurathane varbished wooden doors with reinforced glass in them, like they use in cheap school buildings. Everything was tatty, cheap and nasty, with very low ceilings. Look at the height of the ceilings in Terminal 2, my flat is about the same. The contrast was amazing, and Heathrow was the busiest international airport in the world, in a rich country. Liverpool John Lennon is better than any terminal at Heathrow.
I recall landing at Heathrow with a French lady, she didn't say anything bad, but it was T4. When we got on the tube (before Paddington link) she was shocked.

Look at Chicago then. I would not call O'Hare shabby at all.
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It's also carrying a lot more traffic. The departure areas in the central area terminals have improved quite a bit, although I seldom spend any time in them. The arrivals areas are all bad.

T2 is a disgrace and I try to avoid airlines that use it if I can, certainly for departures because security screening takes ages.

Quite possibly.

I don't see why. Parts of the Paris Metro have the same air of trains running through public toilets that the London Underground does.

I went through there not long ago. The memory was not enjoyable because there was a four hour layover and nowhere left to sit apart from the floor
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The metro is clean,very clean, and compared to London immaculate.

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Try taking line 8 from Balard to Concorde.
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Which is abut the same as taking any London tube.
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One of the worst ones.
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Which is most of London
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That's socialism for you. Now if they had only privatised it a few years ago ....
IMM who do you think is responsible for the filthy state of LU ?. Is it all those 'Middle Englanders' who chuck their Daily Mails and FT's on the floor ?
1. Phoneys bedrock supporters travelling from their socialist-provided ghettos to their drug dealing patches (having jumped the barriers of course). 2. The tidal army of tourists and other non-resident people, leaving litter, carving graffiti on the glass, spitting chewing gum. 3. The fact that Underground is 'run' and 'cleaned/maintained' by residents of nearby relevant LU termini (now I wonder who they could be).
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Scum, the lot of them.
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I used to use it regularly and hated the place. Dirty, nowhere to sit, rude staff and musak blaring out from "food" (deliberate inverted commas) outlets right opposite the gates. IMO, the only decent airport in North America is Toronto. As for Europe, I'd rate Charles de Gaulle tops, though many UK flights are now in that dreadful new glass bit. It's clean but terrible glare on a bright sunlit day.
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I used it regularly and it was 3 up on Heathrow.
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My garden shed is up on Heathrow. Even Stanstead is up on Heathrow. Only Gatwick and the whole of the US air system us behind it !
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