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Ridding the nation of hereditary Lords is the most radical political step since Cromwell.
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The economy and pound don't stay that way for 7 years because of luck.

Thank you.

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Nah, the radical step wasn't replacing an undemocratic upper house full of people who owed their position to nothing more than an accident of birth, with an undemocratic upper house full of people who owed their position to nothing more than being a significant donor to the Labour Party or being an old buddy of Tony's. The radical bit was to think that people would see it as a step towards democracy and accountability.

If you can't partake in reasoned debate, then fine, ignore the points made. Inserting <snip babble> just makes you look like a bigger prick than you already are (if such a thing were possible).

Sure. And the economy didn't get there by luck alone. Remember Gordon's promise in 1997 to follow the previous governments fiscal policies? Pointless asking really, you just replace with <snip babble>.

Confirms it, you are.
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Oh dear, IMM's just failed his Turing Test.
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:06:41 GMT, "Clive Summerfield"

That's 5bn PER YEAR since Labour took office!
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In case you haven't twigged; me too.
Given how mildly right-wing Maggie was, I'm always amazed at the foaming diatribes she provokes among people who (wrongly) believe themselves to be centrist.

You and me, both.
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On 10 Feb 2004 12:12:20 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@ukmisc.org.uk (Huge) wrote:

RAOTFL ... again. I'm prepared to reserve judgement, but there are many people who regard New Labour as a betrayal of 100+ years of socialist tradition.

Actually, all this "government is bad for you" nonsense reminds of the kind of people who live in caves in the mountains of Montana with 10 years supply of tinned food, carefully protecting themselves with bacofoil from the effects of the death rays emanating from the black helicopters based at Area 51 ...
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There are many people who think Elvis is still alive. They're deluded, too.

Nonsense? How many hundreds of millions of people have Governments killed in the last 100 years?
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master."
That's George Washington. Was he the "kind of people who live in caves in the mountains of Montana"?

QED. If you cannot refute someone's argument, accuse them of being a loon. And snip out the bit where they say this is what will happen.
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So fairly soon, as this leftward trend progresses, we should get back to centre.
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Quite right. In fact the Liberals have, so-called more left policies than New Lab.
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Which is why I am going to vote Lib Dem next time (as I did last time, but not in 1997, when I voted Labour and rue it to this day).
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Blair is aiming where it matters; constitutional change. That is very important to the Medieval UK.
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So far his record after nearly 7 years is pretty poor, even by New Labour standards.
The Jenkins report on electoral reform is gathering dust on a shelf somewhere, and whilst he made a step forward by reducing (and eventually doing away with) hereditary peers in the House of Lords, he immediatly took an equal (if not larger) step backwards by trying to insist on a majority of unelected appointees to the Upper House. Oh, and then there's the Scottish and Welsh Assemblies; one a money pit and the other a near irrelevance to many of its constituents. And in the case of the Scottish Assembly, he completely failed to address the West Lothian Question.
So whilst he has made some constitional change - note change, not necessarily progress - he has completely failed from a democratic perspective. In fact with the increased politicisation of the Civil Service and the greater numbers of unelected officials (Charlie Falconer, Alistair Campbell) wielding substantial power, we may well have taken steps backwards democratically.
Oh, and to save IMM time, here's a
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It is zestful compared to the previous 400 years.
I just saw Tone on the TV at question time in the HP. What a man! Brilliant!
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You should have said: "What an actor! Brilliant!" Blair has less behind the facade than a Hollywood film set.
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:39:03 +0000, Mike Mitchell

Be honest, whatever creed, they're all actors and BS merchants
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But the Lib Dems less so, in my opinion. Give them a go! How can they possibly be worse than Labour or Conservative? We have now had the proof (18 years of the Tories, 7 years of "New" Labour) to know that they wouldn't be able to find their way out of a paper bag if it had a hole at both ends.
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Mitchell wrote:

They ruled LB Richmond for 18 years. The RICS Journal c.1992 advised anyone thinking of applying for planning permission (talking of serious developments, not householder apps) to start work on the appeal before submitting the application as refusal was probable - nearly every major retail scheme in the Borough only got through on appeal and during this period Twickenham town centre was allowed to decay whilst our neighbours went out and fought for new investment.
Having said this we have a truly excellent LD MP in Vincent Cable.
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wrote:

Sad days indeed. Poverty and deprivation in abundance.

The best we have had in countless decades.
I am basically an ABC, Anyone But Conservative. But New Lab, is aiming for desperately needed constitutional change, so they have to stay. The country have to break these elf interest Medieval institutions.
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