Waste Disposal - Get a Camera and a Receipt

[Andy Hall]

Carrot rather than stick. The concept worked well with refunds on bottles and certain other items, therefore incentivise people in order to drive particular behaviour.

[Andy Hall]

If they have the time to waste.

Perhaps the better solution would be to pay said elderly people to sort the waste.

[Mark]

Wonderful Nulaber gobbedspeak quite how you would "incentivise" lazy bastuard people who would rather dump their waste in a hedgerow halfway to the tip and are too tight to hire a skip still remains a mystery to me. If you really have a feasible idea I would love to hear it.

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[Andy Hall]

From me? Hardly.

Make it easier for people to dispose of their rubbish, not harder as is being done by all of the unnecessary procedures being implemented with their real and implied costs.

The "lazy bastuard" people didn't suddenly become that way. Part of the problem is the spiraling cost of renting a skip. Why has that happened? Refer to first point.

[Phil Young]

You seem to be encouraging an action you recognise as futile.

What of the opportunity cost ?

Phil Young

[David Hansen]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:09:30 +0000 someone who may be Rod wrote this:-

No idea. I have never asked them.

However, they put their own bins out regularly. It is simple enough, as I said the same day each week. What varies is which bin(s) which are put out.

[David Hansen]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:18:27 +0000 someone who may be Andy Hall wrote this:-

What wasted time is that? Bins a recollected on the same day each week. If I can't remember which bin is coming up this week then I can look it up in a matter of a second or two.

[Mark]

Yes in as much as its all talk but no solution, see below

Not only are you beginning to sound like a NuLaber councillor but you also now seem to enjoy going round in circles like mr windmill Hansen, if you cant come up a working proposal tyhe not much point of me responding further in case this type of thought process is transmittable.

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[Andy Hall]

Indeed.

However, on occasions one has to demonstrate leadership

[Andy Hall]

Having to sort out the various bits and pieces into different containers with different rules and different collection arrangements.

A complete waste of time because there is no value in the outcome.

The correct solution is for the organisation arranging the collection to do the job that they are being paid to do.

[Clive George]

I believe they probably are doing that. The trouble is your perception of what they are being paid to do is at odds with what they're actually being paid to do.

clive

[Andy Hall]

Quite possibly.

I didn't exclude going all of the way back to who is actually defining the rules and making the payments.

Again the solution is fairly simple. Investigate what the rules *really* are.

For example, my LA announced that they would only collect from the road end of my quite long drive, whereas before they collected from a point closer to the house. The claim from them was that this was all about Elfinsafety. Eventually I got to the truth. Was it bollocks.... The truth was that it was a cost saving measure based on time. A "discussion" ensued, eventually involving CEO and political figures along the lines that either they could do what they had originally been paid to do or could reduce the payment. They now collect from the original position and there is no more silly nonsense.

The other part is that they are using EU legislation for their convenience of increased employment of wasters unable to do a proper job and to achieve an apparent position of authority over the trivial. This needs to be stamped out. The solution for that is P45s for the wasters and those who made the decision to employ them and a disconnection from the edicts of the EU where they are pointless as in this case.

[Dave]

Then they will just use this as an excuse to up the council tax. Don't give them any chance to do this.

Dave

[Dave]

Indeed, how many have the access?

No! It is not as simple as you state.

When you have a Bank holiday on a Monday, collection slips a day, not a lot of people know that.

When you come to Easter weekend, the collection slips 2 days.

Last year, I saw one LA collecting on Boxing day.

Not a lot of people know that either.

Dave

[Phil Young]

One certainly does.

Do let us know if you ever give it a try. Especially if you aspire to leadership in a non-collective context.

Phil Young

[David Hansen]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:25:29 +0000 someone who may be Dave wrote this:-

The fact that the banks have decided to go on holiday does not mean the rest of us have. Rather people keep the traditional local holidays.

Anybody who "knows" that would be making a fool of themselves. I have no idea what arrangements the council make to cover holidays (and I can't be bothered to look them up), but I do know that whatever they do does not affect the collections of those of us whose day later in the week.

See my comment above.

[David Hansen]

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:08:11 +0000 someone who may be Andy Hall wrote this:-

Ah I see. So it was a swerve, from the "time wasted" putting one bin out to the "time wasted" sorting things into the right containers.

There is no time wasted doing this sorting, provided one is organised. Holding the item in one's hand it is just a matter of putting it in the right container. I occasionally give talks to adults with learning difficulties and they manage that easily, so I'm sure others can.

There is a great deal of value in the outcome, not the least that uncontaminated material streams attract higher prices than ones which have been contaminated by being mixed with other materials.

As I have said before, if you wish to pay extra for someone to do this sorting for you then you can do so. However, such alternative collections have been launched in a blaze of publicity in places yet not attracted large numbers of customers. The public seem happy enough with the services councils provide.

[Rod]

See my comment above.

Your collection system seems to be different to the majority of those I have experienced (in England, Wales and Scotland).

I concur with Dave. Bank holidays cause problems. I *think* that some BHs cause the rest of the week to be shifted back a day while others do not. But I would have to look it up. Christmas and Easter are always different.

It is simply not possible to predict accurately when the various collections will be made from any formula/rules - you have to refer to the web site/documents.

It is also complicated by things like working away from home (even just the odd day), holidays, and even councils (at least threatening) fines for leaving bins out beyond the absolute minimum time required for collection.

[Rod]

Perhaps you can teach my partner to get up from her enforced lying position to get the various components of our rubbish stream into the correct bins? Perhaps you will teach her to be strong enough to carry the various bins to the pick up points? Perhaps you will make it possible for her to actually be physically able to use her computer whenever she wants so that she can check collections days on the web? Perhaps, but this is probably far too big a stretch, you will learn that some people have problems other than learning difficulties that make compliance with the existing systems very difficult?

It seems that in some areas there are sophisticated systems that can separate green/brown/white glass fragments. However, councils appear quite happy to let us waste our effort by continuing to sort the coloured glasses.

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:09:51 +0000 someone who may be Rod wrote this:-

To be convincing your argument would need to explain how a system with a single bin into which all waste is put would be better for your partner.