That's an awfully big assumption for which there is no evidence at all.
Fine.
I wasn't - I was comparing it to a conventional house which is what most people have.
I know enough not to be hoodwinked by your BS.
Conservatories can range from cheap to more expensive than an extension.. They also largely avoid bureaucracy. There's a clue there as well.
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Well.... I calculated a heat requirement of about 4kW for mine, using the standard CH heat loss methods.
It doesn't face south so is not in the direct sun for most of the day.
Even on the coldest day, I've never needed more than about 1-2kW to feel comfortable, and averaged over the heating season, a lot less than that.
.andy
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Why don't you send me a copy for Christmas.
.andy
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Well I wouldn't buy one, so count me out of that 99%.
All the things that make it "eco" make it unpleasant to live in - things like low ceilings, air tight rooms and strange modern materials that make people sick. Not to mention the sheer uglyness and brutality of most modern designs (why do they think everyone wants walls of glass and a house that looks and feels like an office?)
Roll on fusion power then. Then we can heat our homes guilt free, and not have to suffer the awful compromises demanded by eco-nuts.
Bob
You don't. You know nothing of eco homes or the construction business and lack common sense.
You implied that. Appalling.
There isn't much more at all.
That will happen. I recall how people from Victorian slums (now they put in a bathroom and call them cottages) moved into new homes with CH. They couldn't understand what a thermostats was, never mind a time clock. They thought it was an on-off switch. Many abandoned the Ch and put in an expensive to run electric fire and all huddled around it. Now people understand CH and no one in their right minds does what they did. People know what a thermostat and programmer is. They know about rad valves, etc. they are all educated up to it.
It does.
No observations on life and people and eco homes.
Selective comparisons eh, to back a ridiculous stance.
You obviously know nothing of passive solar.
The clue is they as responsible for an amazingly unnecessary amount of CO2 being emitted and reduction of fuel reserves too, because they have virtually no insulation value.
Amazon will sell you one right now and cheaply too. Read it and be educated for once in your Little Middle Englander life.
Now let's see what this un> All the things that make it "eco" make
Total nonsense. people who live in them comment on the even pleasant temperatures and airiness.
He aimlessly continues....
Low ceilings? Where did you get that tripe? many have high ceilings to keep cool. A slow moving fan can direct any heat up there downwards.
he assumes all sorts of things now.....
With controlled ventilation. It is illegal to have air tight rooms. All rooms must have ventilation.
These materials you are on about are in the "traditional" built developer homes. Eco homes have natural renewable resource materials. The stange materials you are on about is mainly the off-gassing of the glues in plys and MDF. Eco homes do not hav ethese materials in them.
He continues....
An eco house can look like any other house. Your statement is regarding your poor taste in architecture rather than eco homes in general.
Have a look at Sue Roafs house in local stone. This view is showing the solar roof. The other side looks like any other house, as does this this view apart from the roof.
I know of no modern house like that.
It is clear you know nothing of eco homes. Eco design is near standard in Germany and Scandinavia. Maybe about 100 million people are silly and nuts then. Then there is the Canadian R-2000 standards. Find out about eco homes. Read ECOHouse - A Design Guide, The Whole House Book and The Natural House. The Whole House book is very good for people like you.
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"Andy Hall" wrote | >> Houses have a lifetime of a hundred years or more so changes | >> will take much longer to have an impact. | >You think a Barrett hutch is going to last that long ?? | Possibly not, but hopefully more than ten years.
It should last more than ten years, maybe a day more. NHBC warranty is ten years.
Owain
We'll agree to differ on that one.
I implied nothing of the sort.
I would recommend that you never attempt to start a business.
... and it will probably taken a similar period of time to educate them on the next thing.
It may for you because this is an important criterion to you. If you want to pay more for an eco home, go ahead. Today, most people won't. They don't care enough. Not an issue for them.
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So if buying one to this better specification is only £5K more, it should be a no-brainer. But I suspect that the truth is (and which is why we have Building Regs) that you would be hard pushed to get an extra £1K.
Take boilers: pay an extra £100-200 and you will save an extra £25-100. But 90% (?) of people who have a boiler replaced only want to know how cheaply it can be done, not what it will cost to run. I'm shortly swapping my fridge: likely replacement comes in two flavours, A and B rated efficiency. Extra cost of the A rated, £20. Reckoned saving 100 units p.a. = £7. If most purchasers were at all interested in energy they'd have given up making the B grade model ages ago.
You might like to do a survey of conservatory purchasers and ask them why they bought one, or those that opted for an alternative. I very much doubt whether you would find that many people opted for an extension rather than a conservatory because they thought it saved CO2 emissions.
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You'd better find another title before the royalties dry up completely...
.andy
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A clear fact though.
You did.
you should have said, "I would recommend that you never attempt to start a business like I would".
You don't pay more for eco homes. Look at Sue Roaf's house and Devevi's homes in Scotland. You lack information retention. You have been told this many times.
See:
.. or like I (successfully) did.
Ugly as sin with all those solar panels on the roof. There is a conservatory, or is it termed an eco-solar-gain structure, which then makes it OK.?
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Most are pushed into non-condensers by ignorant "plumbers". Shortly condensers will be the only boilers you can buy. A great positive move by the governments departments.
In three years you break even at current energy costs, which will go up in price, so probably about 2.5 years, after that savings all the way.
The energy levels should be re-assessed. There are appliances that are "way" above the minimum A grade. Only "A" should be sold anyway. Why sell energy sucking appliances? Ridiculous! We don't want a Californian energy problems of a few years back, which was created mainly by the energy sucking domestic appliances.
You missed the point as usual.
Hot pies always sell well.
It is a very good looking house, well it looks like all the others around it.
It is a sort of porch. It does not use an amazing amount of energy to heat, as conservatories do, as no heating system is in it.
Now read all that web site properly.
Best eco house would be an airconditioned underground bunker.
Lit by light pipes.
No windows at all.
It would be difficult to take advantage of passive solar gains in an underground house. Also, I can't see how living in a house with light pipes instead of windows could possible be the "best" solution from a human point of view, even if it was thermally efficient.
Nick Brooks
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