bogs hung on wall hung frames to be precise -
Some of these bogs seem a bit tall (365mm) to hang clear of the floor for easy cleaning (major selling point), whilst still being at a "normal" height for actual usage (385mm say) .....or am I seeing this wrong?
anyone got/fitted 1 or more? experiences? ideas, pointers?
Cheers JimK
Fitted one last week, ideal standard washpoint, onto a Grohe frame, built into studwork.
The Grohe frame is telescopic to make height adjustments, but on a flat floor with the frame in the fully closed position, everything comes out at the correct height.
Generally all very well engineered. The loo seat pivots had to be fitted before the bowl is clamped up to the wall, and the grohe- supplied waste coupling pipe required shortening by a few mm.
I bought a 0.82m high Grohe frame, which is better suited to having a low shelf with the flush button facing upwards - but it's no big deal to mount the button elsewhere, as the only connection is a thin pneumatic hose.
I used a 12mm ply board over the frame, faced with 12mm t&v-grooved board - very neat results indeed.
Currently fitting the other two.
We used the Grohe frame (with access to cistern via the push button panel) and Roca bog. It's 400mm off the floor at the seat and 100mm clearance underneath. It funcitons very well.
The Grohe frame was great, very well made and strightforward to fit. However the plumber competely failed to read the instructions (ignoring both the hieght adjustment and the special ver ysolid fixings for the wall) and if we had not complained woud have left it about 20mm off the floor and hanging on by two small woodscrews ready to break loose a few months later.
Robert
does that mean you can't change the bog seat when it spoils? (without removing the bog)
...Sounds good - thanks for info :>) Cheers JimK
any source in particular for best deals? I'm looking on ebay at a Macdee dual flush 0.82 frame =A3155 and some bog or other from another ebayer =A3150odd (I've used em before but they have no low frames - doh!)
cheers JimK
This is specific to the ideal standard washpoint loo and matching seat
- the seat works by having a pair of mounting pins that bolt through the hole in the porcelain, and then the seat has a pair of thumbturn clamps that lock onto the pins.
Disadvantage is you must remember to bolt these pins in place (and position them correctly with the seat) before fitting the loo to the wall, advantage is that the seat can very easily be removed for cleaning.
Yup, did a Rocca one for a mate a few weeks back. The frame fixes to the wall at the top on adjustable length bolts, and has telescopic feet to allow height adjustment. The bottom feed screw to the floor with a couple of coach screws.
Clearance under it once hung with 19mm of hardwood floor added after was
3 - 4"Access to the cistern behind the stud wall was via the large rectangular push button contraption for flushing.
All in all, very nicely made, although quite time consuming to fit compared to a standard close coupled affair.
Not with the Roca, seat is bolted to loo in the usual way.
R
I used one of those last year. Worked well, and I'm very happy with it.
Pete
ah is that why they're so large! are there options to use smaller "button" setups? (with alternative cistern access arrangements of course!)
Cheers JimK
Yes, you can fit a much smaller butto nas long as you allow access some other way. The design of cistern is different though, I think. So you need to choose in advance.
R
Yes, access important.
But with the Grohe frame/cistern, there's a 3mm-ish bore pneumatic hose which connects the button to the flush, and can use a wide variety of push buttons large and small (the large plates are called "skate plates").
A slight divergence but still on the subject of flush buttons. I have never conclusively worked out which of a two button system provides a large flush and which a small flush.
As I see it, it could be either:
1) Large button for large flush small button for small flush.2) Large button for the most commonly used (small flush) and you have to negotiate the smaller button if you want to use more water. Thus, saving water by default.
Is there a standard?
Andrew
On the Grohe one we have it appears that the small button gives a small flush and the big button gives a bigger and adjustable flush which goes on for as long as you hold the button in (or until the tank empties).
it may be my imagination, but these air-actuated flushes seem to last much longer without going wrong, perhaps because they are not strained by over-enthusiiatic users cranking the handle too hard.
Robert
that would be the famous "bog standard" then
R
One other aadvantage of wall hung is when the bathroom floor is not very solid. If the floor flexes relative to the wall then the foul pipe and bog move relative to each other a little each time someone sits down and eventuially the join leaks. the wall hung ones avoid this as everything is fixed to the same frame.
Robert
You would need to go for a different cistern. The one I did only had access at the front rather than the top. The linkage to the flush mechanism was mechanical as well and not pneumatic - so relocating the button would be difficult.
We fitted a Grohe 82cm frame and Roca pan. The frame came complete with cistern and flush plate, which we ditched and installed a stainless pneumatic button. Push for short flush, push and hold for long flush. Within reason you could have the pneumatic button anywhere you'd like, within 3m of cistern ISTR.
HTH
Martin
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