Using Immersun with PV Solar

[dennis]

They don't claim their tax allowance as that means others have to pay more. ;-)

[tabbypurr]

Lottery money is politely requested from you. If you're sensible you say no.

FIT money is taken from you under threat of harrassment & theft of your goods, refusal of ability to get a mortgage to buy a house and other assorted downsides. Ie extortion.

[rick]

Just looked at my system ... 1st week Oct and it's generating at the moment 3.2kW

So for lunch Tomato soup warmed in microwave, toast from toaster & coffee from boiled kettle ........

So Tim ... as you are convinced I am using your wealth on this ..... thank you for your contribution to my lunch.

Plenty to export this afternoon and get my FIT payments clocking up.

[T i m]

I'd say it's not even that. You have to ask to buy a ticket, no one even requests that you do.

Or don't ask in the first place. ;-)

I guess you are saying that if you withheld what could be the FIT - overpay portion of your electricity bill, that is what might happen and I think you are right.

I wonder if that's what we should do, like people did with the Poll tax (or pretty all the other things that the 'people' decide isn't fair or reasonable).

A few people stop paying and get in the press. Questions are asked in the house and things get changed. It's how it's worked for many years. This could be one of those things (if only *everyone* knew about it ... and even some of those here who receive our money though their FIT payments don't seem to realise where their ill-gotten_gains come from!). ;-(

I wonder if like the winter fuel allowance there is no way of handing it back but there is nothing stopping them giving their FIT overpayments to a charity? (I have no issue with them getting paid the market value for their excess energy contribution).

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

Not just me mate, everyone here and elsewhere in the UK who buys electricity!

Now that's better ... forget all this eco BS and just accepting you are parasiting off the rest of us. ;-)

Oh well, it takes all sorts I guess, givers and takers ...

Cheers, T i m

[harry]

I can see you're a sit on your arse socialist. There are consequences for idleness.

[harry]

Typical socialist with an astounding level of stupidity compounded with envy. If you have children, they are being educated at my expense. If you get on the bus, it's subsidised at my expense. If you use the library, it's run at my expense.

So because I don't use any of these, they should be closed down????

You are barking mad. And clearly too stupid to have put PV on your roof. (Or are you claiming poverty too?) Don't claim the moral high ground, it's plain old fashioned envy we have here. Easy to see AFTER the event that PV was a good deal for the owner. But then so is owning a nuclear power station. (Subsidised at an even higher level.)

[harry]

If you're poor, it's your own fault. It's down to idleness. You had every chance here in the UK. Just too idle to take them. There are consequences for idleness.

[Tim Streater]

Thee have all involved political agreement and not theft, unlike FIT.

Welcome to the barking mad club, T i m. Woof woof !!

Only because it involved legalised theft.

[T i m]

I am? I'll have to take your word for your need to label people as I'm really not into 'politics' (or religion or sport).

So I see ... *you* are happy to let other people work while you steal money off them via your FIT overpayments.

When the revolution comes I'm afraid you will be one of the first against the wall. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

Lets see ...

Yes, paid for by the taxes we ALL have to pay to keep the country running. The same children that will be working to pay your FIT payments and pension btw.

I don't (well, maybe when on holiday), however, again this is something that those who NEED that service benefit from and the cost is spread across everyone who pays taxes. NOT just consumes electricity.

Again, not for many many years (I'm not a big reader (for fun) and have had access to the Internet for information since it was available to 'the public'). However, I'm happy to pay for them via my taxes because OTHER PEOPLE benefit from them ... not just people with enough spare cash to be able to put some panels on their roof.

No, but it's more like the 'Public' golf course in Beckenham (I think it was) where the powers have decided the space, paid for by everyone would be better used by *everyone*, not just a tiny minority of golfers.

Can't come up with anything like a real argument / justification for your stealing Harry?

I think you will find it's the exact opposite. Because there is no way you can justify your decision to do so with anything other than a total lack of understanding of the bigger picture, morals or your greed.

Nope, own my own house and could afford to put a PV system in if I wanted. I could even afford to do so without the FIT theft ...

Yeah, if that helps you over your guilt and embarrassment you carry on thinking that mate.

I'm pretty sure those who went in for it at the beginning were pretty sure the theft they would be party to for the next 25 years, index linked, guaranteed knew exactly what they were doing (and who they were doing it to).

I think you have been proven wrong here (nothing new in that of course) and we ALL make use of nuclear power, even you! You have to of course ... EVERY night and EVERY overcast day ...

So, if you want everyone to stop calling you a thief, show us the receipts where you demonstrate you have donated your FIT theft / overpayments to a charity of your choice (and no, I don't mean the 'look after Harry at everyone else's cost' charity).

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

If Harry is sane and we are mad, I'm pappy to be mad. ;-)

Quite, no one has ever suggested it wasn't a good deal for the owner, it is plainly obvious it's a cash cow ... but only if you are happy with earning said cash off the backs of other people having to pay their electric bill.

Now, if Harry had anything like a conscience he would just put his hands up and agree that he is living off the efforts of others (in most cases 'less fortunate' than him (financially, not moral compass of course) and stop trying to justify his actions based on anything other than selfish greed.

Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right.

I bet he is also happy with all those big corporations who aren't paying the tax they should because of legal loopholes, creative accountancy and a total lack of morals. We aren't talking of companies just breaking even here, we are talking about those making billions without paying their way.

He would definitely side with all the bankers and their massive bonuses ...

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

A feeble distraction attempt from your guilt.

BS.

I did indeed and I decided against parasiting off the back of a subset of the community.

Or have more morals than you?

Yes, you think it's ok to parasite off others. Pay your FIT overpayments to a charity to prove just how irrelevant earning money off the backs of the hard work of others isn't acceptable to you.

Cheers, T i m

[rick]

I thank you all

I'm doing it as it makes financial sense .... saves me money ... and makes me money, not because I am into tree hugging.

I give enough by tax ... so I have no problem taking what is on offer.

[T i m]

Yup, we know.

Fair enough.

Again, you have made that very clear. We all give enough in tax mate, just some of us don't feel inclined to penalise a subset of the community for our own ends.

And you aren't alone (ignoring all the other FIT stealers). ;-)

I had one of the Solar PV cold callers (well, guised as a survey to start with because that's how they have to be to trick people into buying into this whole FIT scam) and he asked me why I wasn't interested in taking up his 'special off' on a complete PV system (on my fully owned South facing roof with the cash in the bank to pay for it).

I explained it was partly because of the FIT subsidy ... paid for not be the (people elected) Government (as you first thought), but just the other electricity users and he couldn't understand why anyone could see that as a reason. At one point he even called me 'a mug' (for not taking up solar PV for that reason) and that he would do so, if he could afford it. I was further pleased that by me not buying a system off him would probably mean less commission for him and therefore even less chance of me having to subsidise him as well as you! ;-)

It made me chuckle to hear that such a company had been hit with a big fine for their cold calling tactics. ;-)

Isn't it indicative of just how unappealing the idea is to most people for a company to have to stoop so low. At least double glazing IS an advantage (over single glazing) to most people at this lattitude. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[tabbypurr]

There are many causesof poorness. Some certainly are the person's fault, but also some aren't.

NT

[Andy Burns]

Idly looking at houses on rightmove, one I saw had PV panels reasonably tasteful round the back, but then I saw the phrase

"Solar Panels: The seller wishes to remain the payee of the feed in tariff for a period of 10 years from the date of completion."

Do what!

[harry]

I think there'd be lots of problems trying to do that.

[Dave Liquorice]

The precedent is there with the "rent a roof" schemes.

Of course the owner of the roof can set the level of rent rent and also raise one off fees for access rights to maintain the system and insist on indemnity insurance, etc. Rent? £8760/year ought to cover it (4 * 12 * 0.5 * 365). B-)