Update on the unusual bog cistern filler tower ...

Well, I fitted it all in this weekend, and after a couple of false starts with the bloody thing leaking via the bolt holes for the cistern to pan coupling bolts, it all seems to (basically - more in a moment) work. The water does indeed flood into the cistern predominantly from the bottom of the tower - and very quickly, too. Now, this dangly thin pipe that comes out from just under the top of the tower. I left it just hanging where it wanted to naturally, and shortly after the fill cycle began, water started to pour out of this pipe 'in parallel' with the main water coming into the tank from the bottom. I left it to continue filling, and the water level came up over the end of the pipe. Nothing seemed to happen - it just carried on filling. When the water reached the float level, the inlet shut. I then flushed, and that was normal, as you would expect, as the flush unit is completely separate from the fill tower. As it refilled, I this time held the tube above the water level. As before, water poured out of the tube. When the float level was reached, again the inlet shut, and water stopped pouring from the tube. So, in summary, I still don't know what this tube is for, or where it should be positioned. It doesn't seem to affect the operation of the inlet valve whether it is left above or below the water level. It would, of course, have been handy if there had been some instructions with it ...

Can't remember if I mentioned before, but I had a look in the cistern of my B&Q Bog-to-Go in one of the other bathrooms, and that has a stub tube in a similar position, but no dangly bit of tube attached, so always above water level.

While we're still inside the bog cistern, it seems to me that the dual flush system doesn't work as I was expecting. If you press the full-flush half of the button, that's what you get. A full flush, even if you just stab the button long enough to get the flush established. However, if you press the short flush button, the flush starts, as before, but as soon as you let go of the button, it stops. If you hold the button, the cistern will fully empty. The auxillary adjustable float on the side of the centre section of the flush unit, is set to about half way, and is well below the full water level, so is trying to float, which is pulling up the long rod attached to it. The float drops as the water level passes it, if you keep the button pressed.

What am I missing here ? Why does the flush not 'establish' when the short-flush button is pressed ? Again, some instructions would have been handy ...

Arfa

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Arfa Daily
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That sounds like a "silencer" pipe to me. It makes the filling quieter by guiding the incoming water down to the top of the water already in the cistern.

Mike

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MuddyMike

Prolly there to prevent back siphonage.

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The Medway Handyman

You misunderstand, Mike. I've seen this done on traditional ball-float top fillers, but this is a bottom filler. The *predominant* path for the fill water, is from the bottom of the inlet tower, so the holes are always below the minimum 'after-flush' water level, making the fill noise pretty much just pipe-flow noise. This little tube is only about 5mm OD, so wouldn't be big enough to be a primary fill source ...

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

It is, stops the water splashing into the cistern. The polythene tube gets sucked flat if there is backsiphonage, stopping the flow. Rigid silencer tubes aren't allowed for that reason.

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Onetap

Back siphonage from - to ? If that is the case, do you think it should be below or above water level ? I've got to guess below, otherwise why have a flexible tube on it, but then that seems to conflict with my B&Q Bog -to-Go, where it is just a little stub pipe moulded into the tower, so always open to the air ...

Confused ? I am ! Next time I'm passing the merchant that I got it from, I might pop in and see if they've got instructions laying about anywhere. Any thoughts on the dual flush action that I don't seem to have configured correctly ?

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

I have never seen one where they actually fill from the bottom as well as the mains inlet being at the bottom, but hey ho, why not. I was thinking of this type

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about it though, if it does fill from the bottom it would need some sort of air hole above water level to prevent back siphoning.

Mike

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MuddyMike

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> Thinking about it though, if it does fill from the bottom it would need

Nope ! Looks absolutely nothing like that one ! The fill is indeed at the bottom, right above the mains water connection.

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

See my previous reply to Mike. This unit *is* a bottom filler. Water does not "splash into the cistern" as it is filling always from below the water level. I have, over many years of DIY plumbing, seen most siphon and fill valve arrangements, so am familiar with water splash etc. This current arrangement is a new one on me, and was without instructions when I unpacked it. The basic fitting of the components to the cistern is pretty obvious, but I was unsure as to where this thin tube - which although it is flexible (rubber, not polythene), would actually struggle to be flexible enough to collapse under all but very intense suction - should be positioned. Hence my question to see if any of the pro plumbers on here knew for sure, rather than just guesswork / speculation as to what its true function is, and where it should be positioned ...

Thanks for all the thoughts so far, anyway. d:-)

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

If positioned above the water line would it restrict backsiphonage by drawing in air?

Mike

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MuddyMike

Drain for the leakage that an equlidrium valve requires? But why bother with a tube for a slowish drips...

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Dave Liquorice

Quite

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

Picture?

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The Medway Handyman

So they don't make annoying drip...drip noises in the night?

Andy

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Andy Champ

They only drip when filling.

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Dave Liquorice

I haven't currently got anywhere to shove one up on. I used to have an account with one of the picture sites, but I can't remember which one, now. Any suggestions on one that's simple to join and upload to ?

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

I've currently got it drooping into the overflow hole in the top of the flush mech tower, which is where a similarly positioned tube was placed on a diagram for an American version which someone posted a link to on my original thread last week. The result of this is that whilst the cistern is filling, the small stream of water that is coming out of the end of my tube, just runs into the pan, providing a sort of 'after-wash' to the pan ...

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

Ha ! Crappy little picture, but this looks like a ringer for the one I have. You can see the pipe I'm referring to, dangling down from near the top.

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Arfa Daily

tinypic? Gives you the abilty to post a link direct to the image without masses of surrounding eye candy and/or javascript and/or advertising.

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Dave Liquorice

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MuddyMike

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