True cost of "filling" an electric car?

I have a friend with a Nissan Leaf - heating it does indeed make quite an impact on the range. You can mitigate it a bit by having it preheat while still connected to the mains (there is a remote control app for your phone). His model seems a bit daft in that it uses an electrical resistance heater to heat water, which is then circulated through a conventional car style heating system. In fact it seems to pre heat the water even during the summer when its not needed. Later models apparently now include a heat pump style heater which takes less power.

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John Rumm
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Also worth noting that on many of the cars even the fast charging lead is an "extra"... IIRC Nissan wanted over £400 for one of theirs.

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John Rumm

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ARW

I cycled past one at the bottom of Reigate Hill[1] heading upwards.

How I chortled...

[1] is a mile long slog of moderately steep hill
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Tim Watts

And this one

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Different running costs!

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ARW

If lots and lots of people did it I suspect the grid would be stuffed.

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bert

It may not be - they would probably be doing it overnight mostly - and there's a lot of spare capacity then.

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Tim Watts

I couldn't find that. I assume you mean the Renault Zoe? No e?

Battery rental is £70 per month at least. And it's mandatory. That comes in around 11p per mile. (7500 miles per year for that rate)

Which is nearly as much as I pay in petrol for a car that's much more fun.

Andy

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Vir Campestris

Supplies to housing estates are worked out assuming an After Diversity Maximum Demand (ADMD) rating per house, which is typically 2kW, but dropping as low as 1kW for small terraced houses. (For electrically heated homes, the electric heating load is added on top.)

If many homes plug in electric cars for charging even just at night, it will blow the substation fuses at best. There was an incident in Luton some years ago where a large number of gas meters were destroyed when a high pressure gas main was accidentally connected to the street supply, and the gas had to be disconnected from a housing estate for some days whilst all the gas meters and regulators were replaced. The gas company dropped off a 2kW fan heater at each house. Then they all lost their electrical power when the substation transformer literally blew up.

Changing the power distribution for vehicles from petrol tankers over to electricity supply network will require a significant upgrade of the supply network, never mind the generation plant.

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Andrew Gabriel

The one thing here though is, unlike the 2kW heaters example, it's not all going to happen at once - unless the government do something to intervene.

32A single phase is 7.3kW and a full 11 hour charge at that rate (Model S) equates to over 250 miles of driving (winter heating not factored) IIRC. So you won't have the situation where everyone is fully charging every night.

Also those 2kW heaters would have been on in the evening at the same time as all the normal load.

Clearly you're right that ultimately, the system will need upgrading - but I think there's going to be time to deal with that provided people do actually charge the things overnight on cheap rate.

I'd say the biggest problem is the generating capacity and the "destination" and superchargers that will get used heavily in the day. In London, there are a number of day time charging points springing up that generally have a Nissan jacked in all day while someone is at teh office. Trivial number now, but it could grow.

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Tim Watts

Then what is wrongly percived about a 2nd hand electric car ?

Everyone knows the anwser when filling with a liquid fuel that's part of the point.

easy to know how much fuel you have left in a tank.

How long does it take to fill a car for the same range ?

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whisky-dave

If someone needed some free electricity to generate bitcoins, looks perfect ...

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Adrian Caspersz

You have to register to use those charging posts :)

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Tim Watts

I think it would be possible to devise routes to avoid passing them.

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harry

Given how many people are getting fined for being on the road without tax I doubt if its easy.

Have you seen that you can now get £6k off the price of a new Renault zoe bringing it down to less than £10k? Looks like electric cars aren't selling.

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harry

Well well Harry, perhaps you've e found a way to reverse chemical ageing you might get a Nobel prize for that!!....

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tony sayer

Right so if you use the car for commuting then .. nah!, perhaps best not leave it at home charging and go to work on yer bike;!..

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tony sayer

It could just mean he has very low detection capabilities ;-)

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John Rumm

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Mr Macaw

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