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This was not the living wage idea at all B/Q!

It must see some who were previously paid less than the new national living wage no longer employed because it is not profitable for those employing them to employ them any longer.

But you do see some who used to have a job before the amount they could be paid is increased no longer working.

Trouble with that line is that Hong Kong before it was handed back to china didn?t go that route and did fine anyway.

There isn't just one happy medium. Everything from Hong Kong before it was handed back to China, the US which has a derisory minimum wage to Britain with a much higher national living wage to the more extreme socialist countries in western europe all work fine.

Nothing even remotely like the situation today.

Same with workhouses and the decent modern welfare systems too.

Everyone but the absolute dregs of the EU and the third world is.

Reply to
John Akers
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Oh, does B&Q actually have staff? Don't go there that often but the place is usually a staff-free zone.

Reply to
Tim Streater

Well duh...

Which bit of "where we came from" did you miss?

Reply to
Tim Watts

Which bit of "has no relevance to what we do today on a minimum wage" did you miss ?

Reply to
John Akers

The aim is to increase inflation, so that government debt is devalued.

Reply to
Capitol

Bye Wodney...

Reply to
Tim Watts

Major cobblers alert. Something like 95% of businesses go under in the UK. We've seen numerous businesses go extinct in this country due to inability to make the books balance, obviously wage increases take their lethal toll on many businesses. Only someone that does not grasp the most basic of busi ness concepts could claim it does not.

Sure. But the left wing claim that someone can't live ok on minimum wage is just not honest.

What will it achieve? A bit more money in the pockets of the least able Higher prices in the shops More businesses going under Inflation All pretty predictable.

NT

Reply to
tabbypurr

Clearly there are too many workers chasing too few jobs.

It's simply a question of supply and demand.

Shame that a combination of various measures, including a near endless supply of Eastern European migration was always intended to have the effect of depressing wages.

Good for businesses I guess.

Reply to
Fredxxx

Could you?

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

And 'minimum' wages mean the workers have no spare cash to spend on 'luxuries' Something Henry Ford knew all about getting on for 100 years ago.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

I've lived on less.

NT

Reply to
tabbypurr

That does depend on what you call luxury. There are very few people I know on MW who still don't have an iphone or similar.

Reply to
Fredxxx

That's what you'll hear from the average Tory too. But then they didn't necessarily start from the same point.

There's a very big difference between someone who already has everything they need existing on a minimum wage to someone starting out with nothing.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

I started out with nothing. Lots of people do it. It's weird that so many in this country believe what is proven untrue around them every day.

NT

Reply to
tabbypurr

Indeed.

When I were a lad - and I mean this seriously - we didn't bath more than once a week, and that was in a luke warm puddle after roaring a fire for an hour. There was no central heating and internal temps were down below freezing in the bedrooms in winter, nearly all clothes were second hand, and we had no car, no telephone, only a valve radio, and we walked, cycled or used the bus.We didn't own many books, we went to the library.

There was no fitted carpet. Just a few rugs. All the furniture and bedding was second or third hand or ex army.

We ate meat at best three times a week, other wise it might be fish or a cheese dish. I didn't eat a steak till I was 18.

WE didn't drink, and even tea was limited.

WE were considered affluent middle class. Although the people in Council houses actually had more disposable income than we did.

AS did anyone in a Union. There was no Union for white collar workers in banks.

IN those days poverty meant no shoes at all, and things like rickets...

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Me too.

Reply to
Capitol

Yup. Starting out with nothing is a hard way to do it, but its not impossible

There was that waitress I 'dated' who stole teaspoons from the cafe she worked at and gave them to me for my flat..

The rest of the cutlery was car boot sale/market stall stuff.

I've always furnished from 'antique shops' (mainly junk shops actually).

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

All that bar the puddle & rugs describes one of my neighbours when growing up. For bathing they had a tin bath in the kitchen. They had no rugs. Only part of the house had electricity.

NT

Reply to
tabbypurr

That was the reality of post war life for nearly everybody except the pretty damned affluent.

Outside toilets were common, as was newspaper to wipe yer arse.

Whatever people may say about the 1960s., what it really meant was that was when ordinary people got to own new stuff, and life got a bit more comfortable and a lot more fun in a trivial kind of way.

We lost something though. Physical fitness certainly, and a bit of community spirit.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Most people consider a mobile phone a necessity these days. Perhaps more so if working.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

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