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The reasons why windmills wont work...

One day you can come here and break your fecking neck down the totally unilluminated stairs.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher
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Quite so. We are not all fat old gits.

try 35C and 80% humidity..

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

In message , at 17:07:36 on Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Mary Fisher remarked:

I discuss such issues with people, and have yet to find *anyone* in such a situation who appreciates the issues with regard to the foundations.

I don't understand why you think its acceptable to increase the noise in every domestic location to that comparable to "next to a busy dual carriageway".

Reply to
Roland Perry

Indirectly tho?.

You cannot exclude all the transport and energy associated with all the things you own, and use.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

That would not surprise me either.

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The Natural Philosopher

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Interestingly, a friend who lives near the Norfolk coast has a home windmill and says that it's so windy almost all the time there that he hardly has to buy any electricity.

Mary

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Mary Fisher

Who would probably totally resent the trucks needed to bring the clay and limestone, the noise and smell of the cement works, and the trucks needed to carry it all away again.

Cheaper to move the electricity to where the raw materials are, actually.

But even so, it still goes calm in the highlands from time to time. Its very hard to work out a profitable industry that only gets its power OCCASIONALLY.

Thats te buagboo..you have this huge factory..these windfarms.. all the capital plant that you cannot fully utilise until the wind blows ..its sailing ships all over again. Yes, a clipper ship CAN do 25-30mph.. ..but on average they used to do less than 5mph.

So you needed 3 times more of them than a nasty old tramp steamer doing a sustained and reliable 15mph.

Plus the fact that the tramp needed far less able seamen to run it.

Windmills that disnitegrate are a sign of poor maintenance. Guess how windfarms make money..skimp on maintenance, as well as government grants.

Now think about a wind turbine the size of a jumbo jet shedding its blades..and toppling its tower..

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Its a trade off. More windows let in more light during the day, but lose more heat at night.

Not even the best triple glazed unit is anywhere near a decently sorted wall.

Virtually none.

so about 19C...what i the minimum elfin safety for office temps? IIRC its 18C.

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The Natural Philosopher

Ah, Proof by chinese whisper.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

I thought you were talking about your house. Offices are heated to regulations, houses aren't. That's one of the benefits of working from home.

See above. It's rarely too cold to work in this house when the heting's off - which it is most of the time.

Did I suggest that? I haven't even got an overcoat :-)

When we worked away from home we took packed lunches.

It's unnecessary for us. Mind you, Spouse works outside most of the time, he doesn't have any heating.

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Mary Fisher

its still far far more energy diffuse than fossil fuel or nuclear.

Not really. Its mined. And you don't need a huge amount either..

Do the sums.

Oh. You don;t do sums, do you?

and clean it up after use.

How much is it going to cost to remove all the useless windmills and clean up the sites where they have been?

Bet watt for watt its ten times the cost of nuclear cleanup.

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The Natural Philosopher

It does. Probably accounts for 60-70% of what heatloss you have left.

Tough one. Rip it up and put in floor insulation? More carpet?

Wooden suspened floors are terrible, They have to be vented and they strip heat out of the floor area..

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The Natural Philosopher

Well I provided at least one a few days ago..URLS.

Yes, but they have some upisdes..if you are ONLY living in an isolated rural place because the peace and solitude is worth the total lack of other facilities, and that gets whipped away..you are left with a worthless property.

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The Natural Philosopher

Maybe not if it provides employment. Just because YOU would resent it doesnt mean that everyone does

Ships would be much better

Both readily available in big areas of Scotland. Just pick your spot and add a quarry into the equation

There are plenty of isolated spots to tuck it away

!!!

Gets its power most of the time and fails to get it occasionally. Which is the way such an industry works at the moment. If the grid is short of electricity then cement plants have to wait

Anna

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Anna Kettle

You've conveniently converted 'lighting' to 'heating' to support your holier-than-thou stance.

Unless you live next door to him, how do you know what the conditions are?

So you're suggesting that he has a packed lunch at home every day? How bizarre.

I mentioned our consumption near the start of this thread to see if Mary would take the bait. She has. As it happens, our consumption is dominated by computers - not by lighting, or indeed heating. We've made substantial progress on the computer front and are working on more, although the payback is about 4 or 5 years (at least better than a windmill).

Reply to
Bob Eager

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:48:44 +0000 someone who may be The Natural Philosopher wrote this:-

Nice try.

Reply to
David Hansen

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:00:11 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry wrote this:-

I don't think so. I have been in several lofts with modern thicknesses of fibreglass insulation. They all had items stored in them, sometimes quite heavy items. I managed to work on the wiring and plumbing in all of them too. The only particular difficulty is being sure of being on a joist before resting too much weight on it.

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David Hansen

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:06:44 +0000 someone who may be Roland Perry wrote this:-

I have seen a presentation where an architect insulated a brick built Victorian terrace. She insulated the front elevation internally in order to keep the appearance at the front. She insulated the other sides externally. The latter are finished with a smooth finish, but I suspect it would be possible to use bricks or pretend bricks.

Then in your particular circumstances the carbon dioxide balance is reversed.

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David Hansen

Oh didn't you know Roland, deep greens and socialists always live in towns and are seething with resentment that anyone should enjoy a pleasanter or more peaceful environment than themselves. Their true agenda is to make everywhere a hell on earth.

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magwitch

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:23:37 +0000 someone who may be The Natural Philosopher wrote this:-

In comparison to how much a local boiler turns it into heat, a little.

In uk.railway some years ago Richard Catlow, who should know, stated that, "The National Grid losses are in the order of 6% from power station to supergrid substation and about 10% to the 132kV level".

Not many houses are connected directly to the 132kV system.

If you are going to quote 40% above then I'll quote 91.5% (gas boilers in ). The heating system itself is fairly efficient, unless there are badly insulated pipes outside the heated part of the building.

Did I mention an open fire?

Nice try, but incorrect as usual.

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David Hansen

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