On 15/10/16 16:22, Norman Wells wrote the uisual load of bolloo9cks cf:
Any church with bells, that actually rings them
I live within half a mile of three churches, No bells.
No, its actually harder tro live away from a mosqiue than a church with bells.
Wait till the country is under sharia law.
AS it is to you, it seems.
It just goes to prove that the church were correct in attempting to exclude women from positions of power with their organisation :)
I'm curious to have an appreciation as to why you think this is important. It is a genuine question and I assume you are not a York bellringer, though you may be of course in which case you'd have a vested interested.
As is often the case, the Pythons had it:
Bollocks. I like bells.
The same reason as I think BBC left wing bias is interesting.
Bill
There is a general trend to attack all our traditions. It's part of the lefty attempt to create a world socialist state. As is the EUSSR
Well Bill is clearly in support and we've had views from some on why they hate the bells being rung and I was curious as to what Bill liked about it. Disappointingly his response in another post is unhelpful but I guess some folk simply enjoy the English traditions that give this country its identity which others would see sterilized.
In message , AnthonyL writes
Yes, I am with Bill on this one. The is something so very English about church bells on a Sunday morning, and no, I don't object to hearing the ringers practice at other times.
Where I live now (Aberdeenshire) there are three churches in the village, only one of which sounds bells for service, but that is no more than a toll. Not ringing in the English sense.
I'm very surprised the powers that be did not record the last few years of bell ringing and just install big speakers in the bell tower and flog the bells off for scrap.
That would be the conservative way of course, the lefties would keep employing bell ringers but forget to train anyone to follow or invest in the maintenance of the belfry.
Brian
Is there any correlation at all between people who like to hear bells ringing and their political views? I would have thought it would appeal more to conservatives, in both senses of the word.
I have never heard recorded bells that sound anything like real bells.
That is becoming a problem at more and more churches. It's not just the congregations that are shrinking but there are not enough new recruits to ring the number of installed bells. Bell ringers have nearly always rung for other than service occasions but generally take their service ringing duties seriously. A substantial amount of practice is required and for those that complain of clashing of bells it is generally because the band is not good enough. Hauling several
100cwt of metal around that goes through its stop start stop cycle in 2secs and with an accuracy of better than 40ms takes practice.The young York ringers have written a letter which may be of interest:
I suppose them being religious things mainly they would be more the thing of conservatives...
Well I would tend to agree.
I've thought about this a lot and have decided not to sign. It's a bit like taking a Union stand - one out all out, or at least, not to cross the picket lines. If some, selected, ringing is permitted when and with whom the Dean permits then bell ringers throughout have lost. The existing band, who thus far seem to have behaved impeccably and certainly more reasonably so than the "christian" head in the church, perhaps should now call it a day and withdraw any further offers of help until the matter is fully resolved.
Other bands should support the York ringers and similarly refuse to help, whether it be for the couple getting married, Remembrance Sunday, funerals, important occasions or the training of a new band.
Just to be clear you cannot get a dozen people, let's say a dozen fit and reasonably intelligent and coordinated people from this newsgroup, who've never rung bells before, and get them to safely, let alone competently, ring York bells.
A tower near me had a fall-out amongst the ringers and rather than leave the bells silent the choir decided they'd learn. Full help is being given and after 3yrs, even on easy bells, they are still not at the stage where they can ring more than the very basic patterns. It's a bit like little Johnny coming home with his recorder or violin and 3 yrs later has just progressed beyond scales but not quite to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. It's not easy - if you think it is go and find your local tower and pop in on a practice night. A plus is that many bellringers take to a pint afterwards.
Serves you right for watching down market tv channels.
No class! :-)
It seems that most have spent all day in the pub before attempting to ring the bells.
Couldn't agree more - but clearly the Dean doesn't seem to or want to understand that.
The Ringing Captain was interviewed on Sunday on R4 this morning (worth listening to on iPlayer - second item.) The Dean was also invited but declined but (effectively) made a statement to a reporter from BBC R York a few days ago.
She said that the ringers were an autonomous group who did not 'combine' with the church - strange then that the Captain and deputy are actually appointed by the Chapter and are responsible to them.
They have had the locks changed because (implicitly) the ringers have not been following procedures when attending the tower. Strange then that the key to the ringing chamber has to be signed out by one of only a few nominated members from the Minster Police and returned to them each time.
For more dangerous places such as the bell chamber if, say, mufflers have to be fitted for a funeral the access limitations are much more strict requiring a GrandMaster key which only certain people can book out.
My feeling is that there is some friction between the Dean and Chapter and she is rattling her sword to bring them into line using other bodies - like the ringers - as her leaver.
Indeed. It raises the interesting point too that, if people like bells so much, why don't they just buy a recording and listen to it at home in private? There's no need for it to be inflicted on all and sundry.
If I liked gangsta rap, should I be allowed to broadcast it from a tower as loud as bells and for the same duration? Or would I be expected to indulge that little peccadillo at home and in private?
I don't see any difference.
Quite. You would need a very decent sound system to get close. Not what those doing it to save money would pay for.
And I'm surprised at Brian's views on training. Training costs money with no short term profit. Exactly what's happened with business in the UK - why train when you can poach people from abroad? Exactly the reverse of what unions etc want. But true market forces.
And what fun that must be to listen to!
Don't the neighbours deserve some sort of protection?
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