Telephone via cat5

[Grunff]

I hate to get involved, but I feel compelled to point out that it was you (Bill) who 'picked a fight' with Steve out of nowhere!

[invalid]

Humm, I suppose I did jump into the thread out of nowhere, but would hope it isn't construed as picking a fight :-)

Regards Bill

[Grunff]

Again, while not really wanting to get in the middle, I think it was possibly the tone of your first post which was a little abrasive.

[Steve Firth]

[snip]

Look up.

I know where and what clicknames points to. It's not where you appear to think it points to.

No, you're the one making the mistake.

Which bit of my telling you that I'm not giving you information you don't need to know did you not understand?

And from which they may, as you have, draw erroneous conclusions.

As I told you, you domn't need to know. Your monkey curiosity may make you think that I have a duty to inform you of something, I don't. I particularly don't have a duty to explain to you how to hack into my network. Not only that, but conclusions to be drawn from probing away at what you *think* is my network tell you bugger all about how I have set up a wirelss network.

ROFL, let me see, you make some half-arsed assumptions, try to wander in liek the lone gunslinger then go piss-faced when I won't tell you why you're a bad joke? But I'm, a bad man because I won't play games with you on your terms?

[Stefek Zaba]

To be fair (and why should anyone be fair to BT ;-), they can run IP over their core network and still deliver good timing guarantees: since they're not (presumably!) relying on anyone else's backbone for that bit, they can route exactly as they wish, flap not (except when they do ;-), and might even use those bizarre ToS bits to do something Real, as they will actually know at point of entry to their core network which packetses are real-time and which are "ordinary" data...

Stefek

[G&M]

The next generation DSLAMs will look at those bits and store/forward accordingly. POTS will be no more.

But I expect the backbone will just be their standard "let's order more big Ciscos" approach.

[Andy Hall]

There's a strong school of thought in that direction in many tier 1 carriers. Others favour packet flavouring and a few favour RSVP or MPLS TE.

.andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

[raden]

Well I have Demon ADSL (because they let me keep my diallup for free, so I have access wherever my laptop lays it's hat) and NTL

of the two, Demon is much better

The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by

[Andy Hall]

Is this because of better performance on DSL than NTL cable modem, Geoff, or the servers/services issue?

.andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

[tony sayer]

FWIW the ntl service I've got absolutely flies:)

Very happy with it, in fact it seems to be the one thing ntl do very well.

Apart from their news server but that's where news individual net is the doggies doo dahs..

[raden]

Since I've had Demon at work, there has been one crash in the past 6 months.

NTL has crashed several times during that period

Tech support (although it's now dial 1 for ...) is normally only a couple of minutes away maximum, while on NTL it's not even worth trying

... and yes the performance is better

The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by

[Andrew Gabriel]

When I used to use my demon account, they had an excellent news service (at least, after they wrote their own newsserver around

10 years ago). I think the only complaints I used to hear related to binary groups, which are thoroughly unsuitable for usenet anyway so I have no sympathy with that. However, I haven't used demon's news service in around 5 years now, since I run a couple of news servers myself with two full-ish feeds (minus binaries) and lots of partial feeds (none to demon though).

[raden]

In message , tony sayer writes

Aah yes, NTL's news server - In the past, I've had posts still sitting in my outbox the next day waiting for NTL's news server to accept them

and yes, I did install n.i.net some time ago, but haven't got round to installing it on this machine

The information contained in this post may not be published in, or used by