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Tarmacing a drive in Essex

My mate in Essex wants an overpriced 2nd rate job doing on his driveway but says that no-one is available to do it today.

Any ideas why not?

Reply to
ARWadsworth
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Not anywhere near Basildon[1] by any chance? ;-)

[1] Not the end of the world, but you can see it from there!
Reply to
John Rumm

Offer room to park a caravan ,should get somebody.

G.Harman

Reply to
damduck-egg

They're all holed up in Dale Farm, resisting the council's attempt to ignore its legal duty.

Nick

Reply to
Nick Leverton

Are they?? How do you know that?? What that all about??

Baz

Reply to
Baz

Try calling back at the weekend.

Reply to
John Williamson

:-)

But "Whoosh" for most of the people who replied.

Reply to
Carl

In message , harry writes

Err ... yes harry

Not doing well today, are we ?

Reply to
geoff

Indeed...

Reply to
Bob Eager

LOL!

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

They're all busy fending off the polis/bailiffs.

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

Not sure, funny thing is, my Essex mate says none of the lead on his roof has dissolved like it usually does either! Weird huh?

Reply to
Dean Heighington

Still at UKC Bob? You were head honcho of Darwin College when I was there.

Reply to
Carl

Is this 'froup where UKC graduates come to die, or something?

Huge, Keynes, NS, 1975.

Reply to
Huge

:-)

and

Reply to
ARWadsworth

Are you suggesting that someone missed something?

Reply to
ARWadsworth

In summary, councils have a duty to provide permanent sites for travellers. Since almost no councils actually do this, some families in Essex have made what is basically an ordinary residential caravan site, on a legally owned plot of land, which however has planning permission for a scrapyard but not for residential use. (The scrapyard was a noisy eyesore when it was there).

Basildon council are evicting them in a very messy and high profile action, despite having made no alternative provision. This is at the instigation of some well heeled NIMBY residents of the area and despite condemnation and attempts at mediation from the UNHCR, Amnesty International and just about every other body.

Current situation AIUI is they've been granted an injunction until Friday, due to the judge's concern that the council looks likely to employ force far beyond anything reasonable.

Nick

Reply to
Nick Leverton

I don't believe that is quite the full story.

They bought the scrapyard land and did get planning permission to build on it, and/or use it as pitches for caravans. As far as I am aware, the use of this land is not in dispute.

Later however they built on adjacent green belt land without planning permission. They applied for retrospective permission to build and had it refused. They have now been "finessing" the legal system for 10 years, to attempt to remain.

The "alternative provision" angle is a straw man. Should I be allowed to build anywhere I like because "they" have not made suitable accommodation available elsewhere?

Are you suggesting that the law as applies to the rest of us should be "relaxed" for this group?

Also, as has been pointed out, the council has passed on details of available pitches all around the county/country, and many of the travellers (who never actually seem to travel anywhere!) have permanent homes in Ireland that they could also use.

Again, this is not looking at the situation objectively.

While I am sure there *is* plenty of NIMBYism going on, this does not give the people violating the law any more legitimacy. Nor does the half arsed interference from "yumen rights" activists have any bearing when it is in direct conflict with the laws of the land.

If you want to have a wider debate on whether UK planning law is a restriction of our human rights, then by all means do so on a national level, and accept the full implications of changing the law on a national level if that is the result. (or better still, unpick the farce that EU HR legislation is causing in the first place)

The astounding thing is that this dispute is still going ten years later. I am sure if any of us bought some agricultural land, stuck a property on it, and hoped for the best, we would be evicted and the place demolished in a significantly shorter time span.

Reply to
John Rumm

Yes.

cheers,

Jules (Darwin, '93)

Reply to
Jules Richardson

Says the EU, not the people

Basically two wrongs don't make a right.

Complete with actual immovable houses? Pull the other one. This isn't a caravan site. This is full scale development.

So? build houses BUT after planning permission has been sought, and granted. And according to proper standards as well.

Good.

This is at

Good.

If someone chains themselves to a concrete block or sits there hitting you with a stick or loots and burns, how much force is reasonable?

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The Natural Philosopher

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