Super 8 cine film to DVD

Even if you are unable to comprehend, at least learn to read.

Dave said very clearly a good number of posts ago: "With the advent of colour, colour 35mm stock was deemed just to expensive for most in the UK - although the US continued to use it. So 16 mm became the norm - later super 16mm which got a larger image onto the same sized film."

How does that equate to "saying it never was never used"?

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John Rumm
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You really do have an inflated idea of yourself, can you quote a single programme that your 'friend' has been credited on?

You said in In article ,

.......he fails to see that news work is different and that Beulieu made professional super 8s, which is still used.....

No one had ever said that Super 8 wasn't used in news, but it was NOT used as the norm in the UK and it has never been used in drama etc. It's use would have had to be justified, just as the use of *domestic* DV cameras has to be even today.

Each and every example you have suggested as proof that Super 8 was used regularly proves nothing but the fact that in special circumstances any image gathering medium will be used if it is the only means to obtain images (such a posing as tourists in Poland).

Since the advent of the small analogue video camera and now the small DV camera there is absolutely no need what so ever to use film let alone a crap format like Super 8 - even in NTSC land.

No, I doubt you are, I suspect that you aren't even half that age....

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:::Jerry::::

His inaccurate comments:

"Hint. 16mm film struggles to make decent TV resolution." WRONG!!! total balls.

"*If* 8mm was ever used, it would have been for something where a small - or likely disposable - camera was *essential* as the quality can't and never did - meet the specs required *by law* then for broadcasting equipment." WRONG!!! Super 8 was used, and it meets broadcast standards.

"[Super 8] Rubbish. It's a crap domestic format." WRONG!! Professional cameras and equipment , even pro flatbed editors were all available and it was used professionally.

"Professional 8mm? You're having a laugh" WRONG!! Professional Super 8 equipment was made and used for broadcast work.

"You insinuated it was capable of meeting broadcast specs" " Watch my lips. It never was and never will be." WRONG!! Super 8 was, and still is, broadcast standard with correct pro equipment, and met broadcast specs.

"16mm will beat the resolution needed for present analogue TV - when used as intended and projected - but it's not quite the same when put through the TV system." WRONG!!! 16mm is full broadcast quality when telecined.

"16mm has been a mainstay of certain types of TV production since colour arrived." CONTRADICTION: 16mm is now acceptable from being not acceptable - he was talking to the pros.

"[16mm] because it was the de facto standard for news use before portable electronic equipment. 8mm never was." WRONG!! Super 8mm was used for news in other parts of the world, (I once met a Japanese crew who used Super 8 using Elmo cameras, any would also have a spare small Super 8 camera in case the 16mm camera broke down) and limited use in the UK.

"Super 8 was *never* used as a *mainstream* format in the UK? Because it didn't meet specs?" WRONG!! It met broadcast specs.

Since Super 8 was used for news gathering, alas no more, the filmstocks have improved substantially. With higher quality film to video telecine equipment, the final video picture is excellent.

Notice: when he is cornered he insults. Highly amusing. He is no pro, he works in the stores and keeps the leads in order. A pro wannabe, but doesn't have the brains.

Super 8 has had a resurgence in popularity, after nearly dying, because cheap video flooded the market. Video has been the initial spur then people want more. Video is great for learning as there is instant playback. The topline Super equipment was ionly made fior a few years, as it was intenede to compete with video. Video won, but left a lot of nearly new top quality pro Super 8 equipment still around. The resurgence of Super 8 means that that this stuff is now commanding high prices. Only a few years ago a German company was selling brand new (well new old stock) pro cameras. They just pulled them from from the back room, still in boxes after 20 years.

Fuji had their own format, Single 8, and have started production again of filmstock. I believe they only process in Japan, but there will always be someone who will process it for you elsewhere. The people who use Super 8 are the hols piccies types.

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Doctor Evil

Correction: The people who use Super 8 are not the hols piccies types.

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Doctor Evil

What you meant to write was "I'm talking out of my arse".

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:::Jerry::::

You are not getting an ode.

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Doctor Evil

Wrong, our caber tosser did.

The PRIME point: Was Super 8 broadcastable? Yes it was and still is. Even more now with superior filmstocks and telecine equipment.

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Doctor Evil

So you can't find a quote then huh?

I have used Super 8. It is crap by any standard. You have the same size negative as a 110 camera - and they were crap without exception for just that reason (and yes I am including the Pentax Mini SLR).

The only reason Super 8 has any interest these days is that it is a cheap way for enthusiasts to get that "filmic" quality to productions that they can not get on video, and when they can't afford a real film format.

Now he's got it.

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John Rumm

Perhaps you'll give its model number?

Or is 'full' and 'dinky' the limit of your technical knowledge?

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Dave Plowman (News)

Other parts of the world? What's that got to do with the UK? Other parts of the world have very different standards and expectations of their broadcasting systems.

Oh - the BBC bought Blatnophones at one time. They used 3/4" open real B&W recorders for some things.

But I'm talking about *now*, or at least recent times.

Because you say so it must be true. Fool.

Since you first said how good Super 8 is. It isn't, and never was. It's a now largely forgotten domestic format - apart from for perhaps students to learn the rudiments of pure film work - because of the lower stock costs.

How can you tell me what I already knew? I was around as it happened, and know all the arguments.

One minute you're talking about the UK, the next the US.

BBC ENG followed the norm in the UK of separate camera and U-Matic recorder. The recorder was carried by the sound man as it replaced his Nagra or whatever. The ENG camera was no heavier than a 16mm one - and both needed fairly heavy batteries.

Many were reluctant to change since they feared the competition from cameramen brought up in the electronic field and were trying to protect the exclusivity of their jobs. Your 'fried' would have been coy about telling you this, though.

And dumped before it got past the starting post. Thicko. Every format or potential format is 'assessed'. Thicko. And most rejected.

Other countries broadcast off VHS as a routine. So what? Just because they don't give a toss about quality has no relevance here.

Where long shots of everts happening - not talking heads - are the *prime* reason for location news shooting? Do you think before shooting yourself in the foot?

They're both made of plastic.

They went for quality kit that would serve the purpose. And domestic kit never does.

And stayed that way.

While of course films stock improved - as I assume you mean - you can't make a silk purse out of a cow's ear - or change the laws of physics. And I'm still waiting for an example of a UK TV programme made on Super 8.

But it never was broadcast commonly, so there's no evidence to back up your claims. No surprise there.

You can broadcast the very worst amateur made VHS stuff. You see it every week in 'You've been Framed'. Because something has been broadcast doesn't make it a broadcast format.

I was going to stay stick to boilers, but...

By all those companies *you say* wanted to use only the most expensive equipment? Isn't there a slight flaw there?

You think a 16mm camera smaller than an ENG one?

And all that film equipment could deal with 8mm? Perhaps you need a bit more work on your train of thought...

I'm still waiting for examples we can all watch in the UK of quality programmes made on Super 8. That can be the only proof of your rambling.

Then everyone working in the UK TV industry is lacking too. You are the shining example to us all. Take your ideas straight to Mr Murdoch. He isn't constraint with the idea of wasting money on pro equipment if domestic will do. I'm sure he'll welcome you with open arms.

But surely one of your influence could arrange for all breaking news to take place in good light? Should be easy, given your connections and experience? Or, perhaps, news crews should carry 'Super 8 IMM Pro'® for good light stuff and their regular gear for everything else? That would be a win win situation?

So all your 'knowledge' of the film -> ENG revolution is hearsay, since you can't have had anything to do with it?

Yet you bandy words like 'Nagra' and 'Uher' around like you actually new what they are and had used them as intended. Sad.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Uher with film sync. You really don't know do you? You are the storeman. You keep the stuff on the shelves and brush up wearing yellow boots.

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Doctor Evil

...is actually serious saying that..

...is actually saying these things...yes he is...

Like Canda, France, USA, etc.

They also had the mechanical Baird system too. Duh...

.....only God knows what you are talking about.

...You said Super 8 was not broadcastable...It is and was ...and I educated you on the matter..

Correct! Good, you are learning.

Fool.

...and he reallu shows his ignornace. Pro in film/TV? My asee!!!

...there has been a resurgence.

...it clear you don't know and ask people and come back with half baked responses....he goes on...

Based in the UK.

Acceptable to UK.

...you are a clear idiot.

Quite right that's why they went for professional Super 8

..went pro my dear friend. Remember the pro camera piccie I showed you.

See:

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"but there's really very little difference between Super 8, 16 and 35 mm after they're bumped to tape. "

Movie Maker is US business film mag, Note the Super 8 filmstock they rave over.

It was used for news you silly pillock, you have been told that...

"commonly" so it was then? Well you wouldn't know anyway.

News Super 8 was pristine.

...you want piccies of combi's don't you....

Nope. Being favourably assessed. I knew a small film company that made small news items for local news. They sort they fill in with, like reporting a stables opening up. The sort that can hang around for 6 weeks until a fill place. They would deliver the slot on video tape, but recorded it on Super 8. The TV company was unaware.

..you can't even follow the thread.

..there are many vacant people operating in that business.

Boy don't you work in a boring industry.

..this pillock said a Uher could not be synched. How sad, how sad. I also had a Marrantz professional cassette recorder synched. A company would converted them for you.

BTW, I filmed with a pro Beaulieu 6008 Pro camera and a Uher an interview that went on Venezuelan TV. Fully broadcastable. Excellent results all around.

Boy don't you work in a boring industry as you clean the floor and look after the stock room.

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Doctor Evil

storeman.

Well, if he is it means he has 100 percent more experience with the equipment that you do, considering that the only times you come near it is when you see picture of the stuff on a web page - just like your experience with combi boilers is totally web based....

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:::Jerry::::

35 mm

No it is not, it's the equivalent to the UK magazine that used to be called Camcorder User.

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:::Jerry::::

As is the very worst amateur shot VHS on a worn out tape full of dropout. Anything is 'broadcastable'

It seems to be my fault with crediting you of being able to understand the meaning of 'broadcast quality'. I should have known better.

But you can't give any example of a UK broadcaster who uses it, or indeed any firm proof of one who ever did in any major way, ie as their standard for say news. But ramble on about what other countries may or may not have used in the distant past - ignoring the fact that they don't use the same TV standard as we do.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Yes, it's possible to record a pilot tone on one track of any stereo machine - which is what Uher have done on this *new* machine. Which you said you've used? Of course it does say it's for amateur use. Did you read or understand the blurb?

And of course, any sync system like this that merely kept things locked speed wise, but didn't provide absolute sync, would be laughed out of court by any pro. As would one with only one audio track...

Unlike you I have no need to make false claims about what I do for a living - the proof is there for all to see in the credits of certain programmes...

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the second one provided good reading for you. How to bodge things for the amateur. A sort of hacksaw in your terms.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Please provide the quote to substantiate this.

I realise you have the memory retention of a goldfish, but it's all still in this thread, so shouldn't prove too hard for one so adept at searching.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I suspect that article is 20 years old. It makes no mention of modern tape formats, but talks only about composite analogue recorders.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Well, that will be easy to verify, then.

Can you give some more wild claims in your next posts so we can have another laugh?

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Dave Plowman (News)

I note that you have side stepped the little mater of what programmes your 'friend' has had his work credited on (or at least, if it was news, what stories he covered) - if I asked the same question of Dave Plowman I suspect he would be forthcoming with the info, that alone suggests that this 'friend' is nothing more than a spark of imagination in that single brain cell of yours....

Beulieu

No he did not, and until you can cite the message(s) were he did I will continue to call you a liar and a wanker.

ANYTHING is 'broadcastable' IF there is no alternative, even images recorded on 3G phones have been broadcast in the last 12 months! Are you seriously suggestion that if a TV company had a choice they would opt for Super 8 film above any other format - film or video?...

The only disjointed off focus stuff is what you are posting, you quite frankly know less about this subject than you do about nuclear fusion !...

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:::Jerry::::

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