It isn't. It is one way.
Spaced studs then. Easy.
No. Just spaced studs, easy.
I am not impressed. Thin spaced studs, dense Rockwool bats, and dense (like MDF) prefinished Fermacell. I have doen it. It works "very" well indeed. As the spaced studs will be thin, the centres are narrower to give more racking.
Also the skill levels. My way there are no wet skills, apart fom some filler. Some power tools and away you go. As the level of work is not that great, cost is not an issue.
That just happens to be the correct way!
All stud partitions are 'spaced' studs by the very nature of the construction. To get sound insulation you have to stop the sound from travelling from one side of the wall to the other - ergo a 'double' stud partition - unless of course that is what you mean by 'spaced' studs and if that is the case, then I am correct.
You have to have a 'gap between the studs supporting the finished faces - easy when you know how!
I'm beginning to think that you are Fermacell rep!
Skill level? I think that you are being a little demeaning here to the OP and others! It takes a fair amount of skill to properly build a stud partition, especially one that is soundproof - anyway, if it's that easy, then you cannot be all that skilled can you, as that is the only method that you are proposing?
In this case, I consider the OP to be far more skilled than you for the following reasons:
1 He has chosen to ask for advice, and taken heed of the advice given. 2 He is prepared to 'have a go' at different methods of construction using different skills.Brian G
Just starting to realise that Doc Drivel is a complete k**b who need to be ignored
-- Nick H
And make the studding less rigid. To stop air borne noise you need a rigid structure. Otherwise the wall just acts as a diaphragm.
I suppose it's understandable you don't like wet skills. Something to do with a hacksaw?
It is NOT the correct way, idiot!
They are not. Find out what spaced studs are. I have built a stud wall using 2x2" spaced studs at 300mm centres and Fermacell. Brilliant and easy. The stiff Fermacell stiffens up the whole wall. No stud traverses the wall from side to side causing a sound bridge, or thermal bridge for that matter
It is called "spaced studs", NOT double studs. Spaced studs are staggered.
It is easy, just space them.
Nope. Just used the stuff. It is brilliant. Stiff with excelent thermal and acoustic properties. Gives excellent racking strength, fire resistance (only one layer needed), hang cupboards off it, etc. Find out about it. Read the URL I gave. It works out cheaper using this stuff than gypsum and a skim, and the gypsum wall does not have all the properties of Fermacell.
Fermacell unique composition and density make it ideal for acoustic partitions and solving sound related problems. Simple party wall constructions, single layer stud partitions that conform to the latest Part E requirements without insulation and much more. Click on the link below for general acoustic information, or navigate to the constructions section in each of the building elements links above.
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It meets the regs. Part E, without sound insulation between the studs. That is just a sheet either side.
Also see the selfbuild FAQ. People who use it a lot.
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It is FOOL! ROTFLMAO at you and your one track mind
There we go again, Fermacell! Must be the only way you now how to build? Sigh!! AND if you use this (or any other type of sheet) to stiffen up the studding, then you are not doing it right - correctly constructed stud partitions need no stiffening to hold 'em up.
But do they touch each other? if not. in effect its a double partition. You have to put up TWO sets of studs to prevent sound transmission. BTW, it's a method that I was using to construct soundproofed offices on factory floors waaaay back in the 1960's
There's not a recyled material board that I would willingly hang any units off!
Ah! One of those 'cowboys' who thinks that by buying an electric drill, a power saw with a vacuum attachment and hiring a staple gun to fix boards with, they can bodge anything up.
were brought out many years ago to suit various 'modern' methods and materials, yet never seemed to successfully work! Hence all the problems that we are getting from noise transferrence, condensation et al.
Seen all this before as a poor young apprentice back in the 1960s, a wiser carpenter, an even craftier CoW and and even wiser and craftier general foreman - ah well! I'm glad that early retirement beckoned. :-)
As I said DD, it is obvious from the fact that you stick rigidly to a ONE system fits all mentality - and sod anyone elses ideas, YOUR skills need a little honing - and if you're doing it for a living, rather than DIY, then 'nuff said.
BTW, I do now what Fermacell is, and what it does, along with many other types of so-called 'do everything wonder boards' - had to have that knowledge in the past.
Brian G
Been around for a long time.
Please. You say you are a professional. It is clear you have NO experience of Fermacell whatsoever. So you CANNOT comment.
Good for you.
Do you have any data? No, you just prattle unbaked opinions of materials you have not come across. How British.
Fermacell wasn't around then. So you haven't seen anything at all. Look at the links I gave.
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snore
good advice for someone who can plaster, which means being able to get a good finish quickly. For folk that havent done it before, its pretty much bound to be a disappointment.
NT
a lot.
Doctor Drivel,
A very apt name for the amount of bull that you are spouting, and I suppose this little snippet " Part Time World-Wide Playboy" in your headers says many things about your attitudes - probably reflects in job that you do as well?
It is most obvious that your 'experience has been gained in the *Cowboy School of Builders* and it is also patently obvious that unless something is built out of 2" x 2" framing covered with Ferma-whatever it is then it is beyond your understanding and as a result, I have no option but give you your 'pictures' - pick 'em up from the timekeeper as you're going off-site - goodbye he says shutting the office door.
And I iterate that I am aware of, but not impressed with, the product that you are continuously referring to, even though in the case of the OP, it is an unsuitable material to use in *that* situation.
All replies from DD will now be ignored. LOL
Brian G
Best use Fermacell. You can screw it on existing walls too. Far cheaper than getting plasterers. If you can get one of course.
Yes.
You are clearly not up on this topic are you?
A play boy is a play boy, and I am one.
You are then one castigating a material you know sweet FA about and have never used. That sounds very silly to me, but there again you are a British builder, so it all fits.
See you don't know. But by God you know all the answers.
It is clear you know sweet FA about it and have never used it. Made and extensively used in Germany who build better houses than us.
In that situation it the ideal choice. Nothing worse than cowboy British builders. Scum the lot of them. A total disgrace.
Doctor Drivel wrote: [snip]
That's funny? in the 80's the Germans prefered British brickies rather than any other nationality brickie when the Germans wouldn't work for lower pay, in fact all manner of construction workers where British and you know what makes me laugh there where no yanks on any of the many sites.
-- Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
It is clear you are an idiot so please killfile me.
For what it is worth. I renovate houses and flats. When building internal partition walls, such as building an en-suite shower room, filling in doors or whatever, I always use Fermacell. I found out about it from this group. I have never used spaced studs using Rockwool bats in the void. Maybe I should try spaced or staggered studs next time and see the difference. It is very effective on sound insulation and a doddle to build a wall with. The boards are stiff so a very firm wall is built that does not shake when the door is slammed shut. No wet plaster means I can have a finsihed and painted wall by the end of the day, so quick. Avoiding getting in plasterers is a good thing, as they are expensive and never turn up when you want them. The sheets are heavy. With some manipulation you get used to man handling them. Using toggle bolts cupboards can be hung from the wall, which is a great bonus. Most hands on selfbuilders use Fermacell, as do office partitioners a lot. Why the product is not well known I don't know, as it saves a hell of a lot of time doing what they say on the Fermacell web site.
It only takes about half a dozen posts. But he always gives something to laugh at several times a day, such is his lack of clue.
It has to be snipped for the benefit of everyone.
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Are 'offset stud' walls any good? Did you use rockwool batts for the filling too?
cheers, Pete.
They can be, but will have to be spaced rather further apart than a normal stud wall to get good results. Something like 9" minimum. Clad with a double layer of 1/2" plasterboard. Ignore overpriced 'specialist' boards.
Take no notice of this idiot. Use Fermacell.
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