You must get the point and the market the company is selling to.
The makers say it doesn't go below 15 litres, so do the dealers who I spoke to who deal with many makers products, not only ACV. I prefer to believe them rather than a confused internet nerd.
I see no compromise at all. It is the best of all worlds. Please read the manual. 38 litres per minute is plentiful supply.
I stated that.
150 litres do you?
ACV are a renowned quality manufacturer, being the fist to use stainless steel cylinders and tank in tanks. I think they know what they are on about.
You are, that is clear.
I doubt it very much in the size (very important), performance (it is a combination of storage and a combi, so never runs out of hot water) efficiency and price ACV have achieved. With all the space in the world and a bottomless pit of money I could have 1000 litres per minute filling a 500 litre bath. However, I live in the real world.
I compared it to the ACV Smart range of domestic cylinders, which have the fastest recovery of any cylinder available..
If you have all the space in the world and a bottom les pit of money then you are right. However, I live in the real world.
It does, that is why I have homed in on it.
About the same as a cylinder has valves hanging off it. There is no separate boiler taking up space.
You haven't that is clear.
If you can "specifically" point out any misgivings by ACV I would appreciate it, as I maybe in the market for one. The Scottish Parliament has a number of them, so maybe you can out us all right. As yet you have not. All you have done is assume. I am still open. =20
The thing is that it is possible to fit a better system than the ACV box into about the same amount of usable space far more conveniently and without needing a crane to do it.
I said *usable* space.
The difference is that a system boiler can be conveniently fitted in a kitchen cupboard space, an airing cupboard or a loft. A cylinder can be fitted into an airing cupboard or loft.
Your box of tricks is of a non-standard size and is extremely heavy.
That sounds like a typical IMM phrase.
I already have, several times, and I'm not going to repeat the very obvious limitations. If you want to choose to ignore the limitations, then that's up to you.
WHat the Scottish Parliament has to do with any of this I have no idea.
I haven't assumed anything. All I have done is to look at the spec.sheets and brochures and have pointed out pieces that are missing or glossed over.
For a start I'd dispute this. Most new houses are built down to a price - and costs certainly rule out a storage system. It's far cheaper to install a combi.
But if this was the case, they're supplying performance - which your preferred systems can't match. That your buyers have no clue says much about them.
In the winter, the cold water temperature can easily be 5 degrees.
35kW will produce a 15lpm flow rate for a temperature rise of 35 degrees - i.e. an output temperature of 40 degrees.
Therefore if the required temperature is greater than 40 degrees, the flow rate will have to be reduced.
If you wish to ignore the laws of physics then that is your choice, but they won't change for your convenience.
For a short time. There are compromises of size, weight, flow rate.
Presumably they tell you this in the brochure?
Please tell me where I did so.
In terms of usable space, yes.
but the performance can quickly drop producing said hot water at a trickle and take a long time to recover.
The efficiency is nothing more than a typical condensing boiler and within the margin of error of the SEDBUK database there is nothing to choose between models.
It delivers 380 litres per minute. The 15 litres per minute is a welcome backup. I don't see many situations where the 380 litres would be exhausted. You are still confused, or drunk.
Just about everyone. Tank in tanks have the fastest recovery rate of any tanks.
I know of none. What system? I am eager to know.
I know.
A kitchen? Are you kidding?
Why have two when one can do it? There is no logic in that, only extra expense, time and valuable space used up.
Why have two one one can do it cheaper.
Standard size? It would not be fitting in a kitchen.
He does impress.
You have not at all. You have pointed out absolutely nothing. All you have done is go on about separate boilers in kitchens and cylinders.
You haven't given any at all, except say a separate boiler and cylinder can go in kitchens. Any data you gave was assumed and utter wrong.
They have a number of them. If they are inadequate I'm sure they would like to know, as I would too.
Look at the installation manual. You have assumed lots, and concluded incorrectly.
The ACV for the price and its performance is matchless by other combis and separate cylinder and boiler. To get a tank in tank cylinder, controls and a 35 KW RR class boiler to deliver 380 litres in 10 minutes would cost far more than the ACV Heatmaster. Ever thought some people might have looked into this? And have done for the past 7 years.
The only combis I have seen in new houses are Powermaxes and Gledhill Gulfsteams. Most have had cheap cylinders cluttering the airing cupboards and boilers in the kitchen of all places. I have seem many Megaflows which don't liberate space in the house, just eliminating a tank and power shower pump.
My viewers and buyers are mainly foreign, who expect high performance from heating, baths, showers and top kitchens and well fitted bathrooms. I can't speak for what goes in North Yorkshire.
You point being what exactly, or do you expect people to run their CH just to 'air' their clothing, having a HW tank in the airing cupbord makes perfect sence.
and boilers in the kitchen of all places. I have seem many
So were do you place your Combi boilers, in the loft, garage, outhouse, I suspect many would say that a boiler taking up the space of one wall mounted cupboard is a small price to pay for convenience of access (boilers always malfunction at the most inconvenient time).
performance
Nor can Dave I suspect, hint, read peoples sig' lines before placing foot in mouth!...
So you are proposing fitting a box which is larger that a cylinder and may well not fit into a typical airing cupboard. It certainly won't fit into the standard kitchen footprints for appliances.
Therefore the conventional system makes a better use of space.
- The boiler can fit into a wall cupboard space rather than using up more than an appliance floor footprint; or easily into a loft.
- A conventional cylinder is smaller than one of your box packages and uses less space in a cupboard.
.. and who don't have the experience of anything to compare against.
.. or anywhere else outside a relatively limited market.
I'm fully aware of that, and it is fairly obvious as a result of the heat exchange contact area.
I was asking for information confirming that the ACV Smart range is the fastest recovery of any cylinder available as you have asserted.
Very simple. Fast recovery cylinder of storage capacity adequate for the requirements under all conditions of water temperature and pattern of use.
They do in mine. Are you buying kitchen furniture in funny places as well or is your problem that you are renovating council flats?
There's every logic in it. By having separate components it is possible to locate them easily in a whole variety of places appropriate to the situation. If you have a single big box, you are going to have to provision specially for it.
How do you expect to get a 670mm box weighing 170kg into a loft space?
Because it's possible and can make more efficient use of space.
So space from another room wood have to be found.....
He might impress you, but you are in a minority of two, with him being the other.
I've made the shortcomings completely clear. The manufacturer avoids these areas, understandably.
If you have managed to convince yourself, or allowed yourself to be convinced by the marketing materials that this product meets your needs, then you may not want to hear the negatives about it. That's your prerogative, but it doesn't make the deficiencies go away.
Take a look at the missing information and the issues of size and weight.
Considering that the project was massively over budget and late, I wouldn't treat anything or anybody involved in its construction as being in any way reliable.
I haven't assumed anything, but simply pointed out the limitations such as size and weight and highlighted what is missing.
Probably, and I suspect are more discerning than you regarding practicality and performance.
You are choosing best case numbers rather than reality.
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