Interesting you see it as 'punishing' When it will likely be essential due to the recession it will bring about for the UK. And possibly others.
So in other words. you don't want to be held responsible for the possible results of your action?
Think you may have summed up the outers nicely.
I can and do. However, you will have to look back to my previous postings on the subject, if you want to know the details. It gets tedious repeating the same points over and over again, especially as I really don't expect you to accept that it is nothing more than Brexit rhetoric.
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If you ever hope to improve, you first have to identify where improvements are necessary.
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes
Well they'll be disappointed because no one will be forced to go. More deliberate FUD from the Remainers
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes
International Convention to which we are signed up (but the French aren't) bans forced repatriation.
After the vote nothing happens about anything.
Goa and read Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
You are in no position to offer any clues about anything as your stock of clues is zero.
In article , tim... writes
Especially not in October as we will still be in the EU even if we have applied to leave.
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes
More nonsense. BTW we don't have a "deal" with our largest export market, the USA.
We do like to be truthful however painful you might find it.
What negotiations would those be?
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes
Trade is not going to suddenly stop next Friday if we vote leave. Typical tariffs into the EU are 3%. No big deal.
There is no 'applied to leave', Britain is free to leave whenever it likes.
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes
You have amply demonstrated that throughout this debate.
It's to do with the fact that the immigrant population is the greater driver of our predicted population increase.
No reason to assume otherwise.
Idiot. No-one has proposed or even hinted at a total freeze on immigration.
Oh it is That's why we will do well out of the grip of the EUSSR
In article , jjjuu78 writes
Sorry but that's a negative view.
How many times has Osborne threatened to balance the books. Perhaps this time he means it?
On the one hand: Balance the books. On the other hand: Don't touch the pensioners. Everybody else is shouting austerity is bad.
Difficult circle to square.
Even his own side called it that
where have you been all week?
tim
ISTM that the rules are not clear about that
there is a process of "asking to leave" which is then completely controlled by the other EU states in order to make sure that there is an orderly tidy up of all of the lose ends.
But there is no guarantee that all of the lose ends will be tied up and no process of extending the period beyond 2 years, so there could still be a mess when a country is granted its request to leave.
so that would seem to be no different to ask just saying "We leave today", but I still don't think that's allowed
tim
AIUI, the 2-year period can be extended by mutual agreement.
BTW, It's "loose ends".
Actually for once the resident parrot is right.
"The UK Parliament would rescind all previous EU treaties under the basic rule of our Constitution that ?No Parliament Can Bind Its Successors.?
Parliament would therefore repeal the European Communities Act 1972 and all subsequent EU legislation, thereby returning to the people the power to appoint our government.
Having repealed the European Communities Act of 1972 the British Government, being sovereign, would inform the European Commission that Britain is leaving the EU immediately and would henceforth no longer be subject to any EU Directives or Regulations. This action would no doubt cause considerable fury and dire threats from the European Commission but it could do nothing about it as Britain would no longer be a member. Any action such as imposing trade tariffs would be illegal under World Trade Organisation ( WTO ) guidelines.
Having officially left the European Union, Parliament could at last govern this country as it was elected to do. Probably its first task would be to negotiate a trade deal with the EU from a position of strength and independence.
Parliament?s next task would be to unravel all the unnecessary directives and regulations from over 120,000 laws imposed on us by the European Commission. This would release an enormous amount of energy and enterprise that is stifled by current legislation. It would get Britain going again, and allow considerable cuts in red tape on businesses and lower taxes for citizens and businesses alike."
WE don't have to go the article 50.1 route
And as I have pointed out, to do so implies we accept the EUs right to determine UK and override UK law.
And all the EU has to do is pass a new law rescinding article 50.1
It isn't under EU rules. But if we simply repeal the 1972 act, we are no longer part of the EU!
Simples!
What it boils down to at that point is whether or not the fundamental principle that no government can bind its successors is of greater primacy than the EU rule that says you cant leave without chatting first.
IN short, whose law shall prevail, original British Law, which says you can't sign ultimate sovereignty away. or EU law which says you just did.
It's a total Catch 22.
If you accept that EU law is prime, you cant ever leave the EU. They just make it illegal.
If you accept that EU law is not prime, they never had the power to impose regulations on us anyway.
IN the end its like a war. You just rear up the rule books, sit down and say 'OK, this is where we sign new bits of paper, or what are you going to do about it?'
The EU might 'fine' us. Well we don't pay. They might impose punitive tariffs on us. Who comes out worse if they do that?
They mighty send in the tanks as Russia used to do in these cases. Whose tanks? German Tanks? French Tanks? Polish Tanks? And we have tanks, too.
And of course there is the channel, which isn't great tank territory.
I suppose they could mobilise the hard left - Hope not haters - and the like and roam the streets with baseball bats but its not clear whether they have any real support.
The whole reason we are contemplating leaving is because on balance the EU needs us more than we need them. Why else are they so keen to have us stay?
Because they have our best interests at heart?
Bless!
Yes
But the country that chooses to leave doesn?t have to negotiate at all and certainly doesn?t have to get the permission of anyone to leave.
Of course not. It can simply flounce out complete with ball. And never darken their door again.
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