Seems like a good thing. I was at a mate's house who'd just had a load of solar panels installed. He reckons he'll get an 11% return on his investment. I was quite impressed watching the disc of his electric meter spinning backwards.
Apart from tying ones money up and the aesthetics has anyone here got experience of this scheme good or bad?
No it isn't. When you register your installation, most electricity suppliers ask if the meter runs backwards. It is then up to them what to do. Some act, some don't.
AIUI, no new disk meter for the last twenty years or so has run backwards. There is a simple ratchet mechanism to stop Scousers applying dodgy power factors to fool the meter.
AIUI, meters older than this have now been circulated out of service.
It turned several revolutions in the short time I watched it. Me being mildly cynical and to check that it wasn't going in the 'supposed to' direction got him to flick the kettle on and sure enough it went in the other direction albeit slower. The solar power would easily cope with a kettle but with other appliances on....
There is something I didn't quite understand. I think this is it: With old meters they can't tell how much solar electric being used and how much is being exported so it is split 50:50. You get paid for all units generated but and extra 3.5p on the exported.
My washing machine controller is a disk - it won't turn backwards (without breaking it).
Just because it appears that something might run backwards, doesn't mean that it will (and as it's in a case, unlike the WM, there is no way that a "normal" person could test the leccy meter)
Perhaps different suppliers use different forms. The one I had from Scottish Power clearly required equipment data and MCS installation reference, which are only available after installation.
The actual question asked is if, since installation, the meter has moved backwards.
Yes that is correct but also even normal standard modern digital meters will not display the exported power so the assumption of 50% export continues to be applied.
From what i have read about these meters is that internally they DO measure exported power but have to be interrogated electronically (via the two led windows) to get at this information. Meter readers are not provided with the equipment to read them electronically.
The simple digital meters do however, have an indication that power has been exported.
The display alternates between the import reading and "rEd" which stands for 'reverse energy detected' and was originally there to catch people who try and run their meters backwards to defraud the leccy co.
Also when power is being exported, the red light which usually indicates
1 Wh of consumption per flash, lights continuously.
It will be interesting to see the reaction of the next human meter reader who calls, as my meter now indicates "rEd"
As my supply company is different from my solar export company, I cannot imagine that they will have talked to one another about me having a PV system.
It can be even worse than that, as has been discussed in a very long thread on:
To summarise, some Siemens meters (and possibly others) are capable of being programmed so that any reverse power is added to power consumed, and displayed as the only reading visible. This option was clearly chosen by somebody as an anti-fraud measure, but then forgotten about.
It seems that the power companies themselves do not fully understand this, even when explained to them clearly and repeatedly. Of course, they know best ;-).
As a result, it is quite possible, as explained at length on the forum above, for solar panels to increase your bills significantly. Don't get caught out!
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