Security Euro cyclinder

Asked to remove a high security euro cylinder today, customer had the original instructions, but no keys.

Instructions claimed it was;

Anti Pick.

(didn't try).

Anti Bump.

(didn't try).

Anti Drill.

It certainly was.

Anti Snap

It certainly was.

It wasn't Anti Angle Grinder though :-)

Another victory for the groups favourite power tool!

Reply to
The Medway Handyman
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Amazed me recently how easy to 'snap' a cheap (albeit branded) lock.

Reply to
RJH

Indeed! How did you stop the sparks damaging the door?

Reply to
GB

was the door shut? was the lock too long i.e. protruding on either side?

Reply to
Andy Burns

Angle grinder sparks aren't very hot, not enough thermal mass or summit.

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

Open. Once I'd removed the handles there was about an inch protruding from the inside. Cut that horizontally, then halfway vertically, then snapped it.

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

That was my first line of attack, but this bugger wouldn't snap at all. Once I'd removed a lot of it - it did.

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

I had a window in one of my factories that was peppered with melted-in debris from an angle grinder, where a previous owner had removed a nearby steel bracket from a girder.

Colin Bignell

Reply to
Nightjar

Do you mean you couldn't snap it, or you did but it stayed locked so you still couldn't open the door to get at the securing bolt? I thought anti-snap meant the latter, but you imply the former.

Reply to
Reentrant

Try it when you are wearing a nylon boiler suit.

Reply to
Tim Lamb

You'd be surprised, they'll happily embed themselves in automotive glass.

Reply to
Chris Bartram

Am I missing something? Surely, with the door open, and handles removed, and with access to the faceplate, you could just undo its retaining screw and withdraw it?

Reply to
Roger Mills

No, the cam is at an offset position when the key is removed so the cylinder cannot be removed easily.

Reply to
fred

If only. My Dad's lounge window was permanently scarred with hundreds of pits by hot sparks from an angle grinder being used on a car several metres in front of it.

Reply to
Mathew Newton

+1 (though not hundreds of pits) when an angle grinder was used (not by me!) to cut paving slabs on the garden 3M in front of patio doors.
Reply to
F

Yes indeed, you cannot make your own gaol cell these days.. grin. Lots of locks being serious for a moment seem to have the major parts made of some lightweight hard , but very brittle metal. I found a padlock like this quite recently, Where the hole was for the pin that locked it, the sides of the remaining lockable part war so thin, I snapped them off merely using an old screwdriver. Brian

Reply to
Brian Gaff

Not a mark on the uPVC door at all.

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

I couldn't snap it, until it had a discussion with Mr Angle Grinder. Not sure what 'Anti Snap' is supposed to mean TBH.

Reply to
The Medway Handyman

The clue here is "on the inside"

The inside access doesn't need protection from physical destructive attack, does it?

In fact the one that I had to have replaced (be because dozey cow who moved out didn't give me all her keys back) didn't have any protection from remove from the inside at all, as it had a thumb wheel

(and the locksmith who replaced it - because none of the local handymen knew what the flip to do with it, said that they are pickable)

tim

Reply to
tim......

In my view it means a cylinder with a reinforced centre section that resists the snapping forces in that reduced profile section in the middle but the term seems to have been hijacked by manufacturers that think breaking off the outer section of a cylinder easily is a security enhancement. Weakening the design with a few cuts is of course much easier than adding and securely fixing a strong core to the outer cylinder elements, the latter are much more expensive.

Think you had a lucky break on the angle grinder collateral damage, 1 'cos you were just cutting brass and 2 'cos it was striking the door at an oblique angle. I'd be very wary of using an angle grinder near anything that is in the slightest bit fragile (glass, plastic, carpet, clothing) unless it was well masked, particularly if I was cutting anything with ferrous content. With ferrous grindings you also have the risk of any waste rusting later in contact with water for that distinctive red/brown stain, v messy on tarmac, concrete or carpet.

Reply to
fred

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