Roofing nightmare

I have recently had the misfortune to have had some rather poor roofing work done on my house.

I wanted someone to replace our soffits and barge board as well as re- engineering and re-roofing our lean-to (or conservatory, as the estate agents put it). After a lot of effort looking and talking to roofers I found someone who seemed to actually understand what I wanted done with the lean-to roof. His quote was the most expensive - however he genuinely seemed like a good sort with a reputation he would want to look after - so I hired him.

A bad sign, that sort of went over my head, after I had sent him a letter agreeing to his quote was that he said he wanted to be around when work started on the lean-to roof. What he actually meant, it seems, was that he was passing the soffit and bargeboard job off to subcontractors and intended to have as little to do with it as possible.

Scaffolding was put up around the house. Our phone line was detached to make way for the scaffolding and nailed down to boards on top of the scaffolding. The roofers came and ripped off the old soffits and barge boards. I wasn't around to see this. However, on the following Saturday, my neighbour came round to see me to tell me that he had found debris in his drive and he had had to pull out a load of waste material from between my garage and his fence. It seems that the roofers had seen the space between the garage and his fence as a good place for this rubbish. The fact that some of it was landing in my neighbours drive strongly indicates that the roofers were throwing it off the scaffolding onto the roof of our garage so that it, they hoped, would slide neatly down into the gap.

Luckily, the scaffolders were not quick to remove the scaffolding after the replacements for the soffits and bargeboards went up. I was able to inspect the work. I found that the capping tiles on both hips had slipped considerably and the capping tiles above the newly cemented-in ones were considerably disturbed. Another thing I noticed was the distinct orange/yellow colour of the cement compared to the light grey colour of the old cement. I wondered, momentarily, if it was possible that too much sand had been mixed into it - but immediately decided that anyone who had ever done any roofing before surely wouldn't make such a basic and bad mistake. Also, I noticed that a broken tile at the back of the roof that should have been replaced was left untouched.

I contacted the roofer to express my concerns. He said that he would delay the removal of the scaffolding. He told me that when this sort of work was done that it was inevitable that nearby capping stones would get disturbed. He told me that I would have to get the whole roof re tiled at some point. He then dispatched an invoice to me for =A3800 + VAT to reseat all of the ridge and hip tiles. On receiving this invoice I rang him up and convinced him that it would be a better idea for him to just get the work he had been contracted to do put right at no further expense to myself. He came around and had a look at the state of the work. Speaking about where one of the capping tiles had slipped, he said he thought that the gap had been made on purpose by the sub-contractor with a trowel. I replied telling him that I thought that that would have been a very strange thing for the sub-contractor to have done. Anyway, it turned out that some time later the capping tiles were re-seated and the cracked tile was replaced. However, I noticed that they were re-seated with same strange coloured cement.

The scaffolding stayed up for quite a long period of time. Eventually, when we got back from holiday, we found that it had gone. What we had gained though, was a waterfall where the down pipe was. The down pipe should have been cleared but was now more blocked than it ever had been. Also, there was a gaping hole in the lean-to roof - presumably knocked into it by the scaffolders. The next morning (a Monday), I noticed that the phone cable, rather than having been re-attached to the house in anything like a satisfactory fashion, had simply been hooked onto the hip iron.

I phoned up the roofer to complain about the down-pipe, the hole in the lean-to roof and the state of the phone line. He apologised profusely and told me that someone would come and sort them as soon as possible. He had actually promised me some weeks earlier that he would come round on that day to start work on the lean-to roof. The news he gave me was that he couldn't and that he would be on holiday the following week.

A little later that day, a neighbour who is in the building trade called by. He was shocked both by the poor level of service and the poor quality of work that had been done. He pointed out that:-

1) Some tiles at the back of the roof weren't settled down flat where they met the facias.

2) There seemed to be material missing above the upstairs windows. The barge boards were warping and sagging slightly at these points.

3) Shreds of protective film that should have been removed from the new material were still visible making the work look untidy.

4) He also told me that it looked like that roofers had used a weak mix of cement to fix the capping tiles in place.

My neighbour also warned me to check to make sure that the roofer wasn't going to try and hit me with any extra charges for the scaffolding which had been up, by then, for a considerable length of time. I did this. The roofer told me that he was still working to the quotation.

On Tuesday no repairs were made and it rained heavily.

On Wednesday, the phone line was sagging so precariously between our house and the telegraph pole that I rang up BT and asked them to get an Engineer out to fix it. I rang the roofer up and left a message for him to say that he would be footing the bill. When we got home that day, the phone line had been fixed by the BT engineer (who had left a note), the down pipe had been cleared and temporary fix had been made to the lean-to roof. These had been done by a colleague of the roofer. I was glad these fixes had been made because I had been steeling myself to tell the roofer never to set foot on my property again.

Unhappily, though, I am still desperately hoping that the roofer will do a satisfactory job with our lean to. It took me quite a lot of time and effort to find somebody who seemed to understand what I wanted done. And the year is wearing on. What chance would I have of getting a satisfactory outcome now, if sacked the current roofer and started looking for another one?

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Mind telling us what roofing company you hired please

Reply to
Simon

I'm not the net police Simon or trying to be annoying but please please don't post 123 lines just to ask that.

Reply to
jake

At the end of the day you've still got the money. Document the issues carefully, with detailed photos and keeping all evidence, and theres a good chance you'll get a fair settlement in the end.

NT

Reply to
meow2222

Please name & shame so others do not use this company.

Jon

I wanted someone to replace our soffits and barge board as well as re- engineering and re-roofing our lean-to (or conservatory, as the estate agents put it). After a lot of effort looking and talking to roofers I found someone who seemed to actually understand what I wanted done with the lean-to roof. His quote was the most expensive - however he genuinely seemed like a good sort with a reputation he would want to look after - so I hired him.

A bad sign, that sort of went over my head, after I had sent him a letter agreeing to his quote was that he said he wanted to be around when work started on the lean-to roof. What he actually meant, it seems, was that he was passing the soffit and bargeboard job off to subcontractors and intended to have as little to do with it as possible.

Scaffolding was put up around the house. Our phone line was detached to make way for the scaffolding and nailed down to boards on top of the scaffolding. The roofers came and ripped off the old soffits and barge boards. I wasn't around to see this. However, on the following Saturday, my neighbour came round to see me to tell me that he had found debris in his drive and he had had to pull out a load of waste material from between my garage and his fence. It seems that the roofers had seen the space between the garage and his fence as a good place for this rubbish. The fact that some of it was landing in my neighbours drive strongly indicates that the roofers were throwing it off the scaffolding onto the roof of our garage so that it, they hoped, would slide neatly down into the gap.

Luckily, the scaffolders were not quick to remove the scaffolding after the replacements for the soffits and bargeboards went up. I was able to inspect the work. I found that the capping tiles on both hips had slipped considerably and the capping tiles above the newly cemented-in ones were considerably disturbed. Another thing I noticed was the distinct orange/yellow colour of the cement compared to the light grey colour of the old cement. I wondered, momentarily, if it was possible that too much sand had been mixed into it - but immediately decided that anyone who had ever done any roofing before surely wouldn't make such a basic and bad mistake. Also, I noticed that a broken tile at the back of the roof that should have been replaced was left untouched.

I contacted the roofer to express my concerns. He said that he would delay the removal of the scaffolding. He told me that when this sort of work was done that it was inevitable that nearby capping stones would get disturbed. He told me that I would have to get the whole roof re tiled at some point. He then dispatched an invoice to me for £800 + VAT to reseat all of the ridge and hip tiles. On receiving this invoice I rang him up and convinced him that it would be a better idea for him to just get the work he had been contracted to do put right at no further expense to myself. He came around and had a look at the state of the work. Speaking about where one of the capping tiles had slipped, he said he thought that the gap had been made on purpose by the sub-contractor with a trowel. I replied telling him that I thought that that would have been a very strange thing for the sub-contractor to have done. Anyway, it turned out that some time later the capping tiles were re-seated and the cracked tile was replaced. However, I noticed that they were re-seated with same strange coloured cement.

The scaffolding stayed up for quite a long period of time. Eventually, when we got back from holiday, we found that it had gone. What we had gained though, was a waterfall where the down pipe was. The down pipe should have been cleared but was now more blocked than it ever had been. Also, there was a gaping hole in the lean-to roof - presumably knocked into it by the scaffolders. The next morning (a Monday), I noticed that the phone cable, rather than having been re-attached to the house in anything like a satisfactory fashion, had simply been hooked onto the hip iron.

I phoned up the roofer to complain about the down-pipe, the hole in the lean-to roof and the state of the phone line. He apologised profusely and told me that someone would come and sort them as soon as possible. He had actually promised me some weeks earlier that he would come round on that day to start work on the lean-to roof. The news he gave me was that he couldn't and that he would be on holiday the following week.

A little later that day, a neighbour who is in the building trade called by. He was shocked both by the poor level of service and the poor quality of work that had been done. He pointed out that:-

1) Some tiles at the back of the roof weren't settled down flat where they met the facias.

2) There seemed to be material missing above the upstairs windows. The barge boards were warping and sagging slightly at these points.

3) Shreds of protective film that should have been removed from the new material were still visible making the work look untidy.

4) He also told me that it looked like that roofers had used a weak mix of cement to fix the capping tiles in place.

My neighbour also warned me to check to make sure that the roofer wasn't going to try and hit me with any extra charges for the scaffolding which had been up, by then, for a considerable length of time. I did this. The roofer told me that he was still working to the quotation.

On Tuesday no repairs were made and it rained heavily.

On Wednesday, the phone line was sagging so precariously between our house and the telegraph pole that I rang up BT and asked them to get an Engineer out to fix it. I rang the roofer up and left a message for him to say that he would be footing the bill. When we got home that day, the phone line had been fixed by the BT engineer (who had left a note), the down pipe had been cleared and temporary fix had been made to the lean-to roof. These had been done by a colleague of the roofer. I was glad these fixes had been made because I had been steeling myself to tell the roofer never to set foot on my property again.

Unhappily, though, I am still desperately hoping that the roofer will do a satisfactory job with our lean to. It took me quite a lot of time and effort to find somebody who seemed to understand what I wanted done. And the year is wearing on. What chance would I have of getting a satisfactory outcome now, if sacked the current roofer and started looking for another one?

Reply to
Jon

People: when reply to long posts can you please *trim* (and try to remember not to top post).

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Paul Oldham

Ah, didn't spot the uk.diy cross posting. That will be why then. Different groups, different posting conventions.

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Paul Oldham

I wanted someone to replace our soffits and barge board as well as re-

I think you need to toughen up your stance. I hope you haven't paid him. I'd be inclined to get a credible person to assess what needs doing. Put this in writing to the roofman. Give him the opportunity to put it right within a reasonable timescale. If you do go for a second roofing contractor I wouldn't mention the problems you've had with the first. If you tell them about all your woes they may smell a rat and think that 'you' are trouble and give you a swerve. Don't pay anything until it's sorted, otherwise you've used up any leverage you have. Naming and shaming as others have suggested may vent your frustration but won't get your roof sorted.

mark

Reply to
Mark

But top-posters should still be hung up and quartered. It's not the top-posting so much as the fact that they don't understand the concept of quoting.

Reply to
David Johnson

In article , Jon scribeth thus

Can people please learn to snip their postings!! Please!.. Indicated, keep notes of what happened on chronological order, what was said, record the phone calls if you can, keep PIX it will all be useful when me 'learned friends have to sort the mess out in court and please do in the meantime let us know who this Wally outfit is so we can avoid!....

Reply to
tony sayer

Not our fault gov, we don't like em either!

Reply to
John Rumm

Indeed. And I'd forgotten that the uk.* hierarchy do officially have the same convention as us, for all the same reasons.

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Reply to
Paul Oldham

Telling them in writing you'll publish their work on the net along with expert comments if its not done within x days, and how many customers will that lose them may be another motivating factor though, in some cases. And of course in some it can provoke significant hostility, since it is significant hostiliy=ty.

NT

Reply to
meow2222

In principle, surely that would be a good filter? If a contractor turns down a job because the customer expects it to be done properly, you wouldn't want to use them in the first place.

I suppose in practice one probably shouldn't set one's hopes so high, and take the view that all contractors are cowboys, with some merely less incompetent than others.

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Reply to
Francis Turton

I doubt that is the thought process. It's more likely to be that he thinks he has lots of work to do for nice amiable sheep and here is a non-sheep person asking him to do something and that person is already engaged in one argument and he doesn't want to be next. He won't be interested in who is right/wrong.

Reply to
Mike Lewis

He isn't such a f*ck wit as Meow though. At least Jake (though seriously lacking in the marbles department) didn't top post.

Reply to
Weatherlawyer

OTOH we KNOW you need to reappraise your approach to posting on the Internet, Usenet in particular.

I am sure a long list of discerning advocates of Nettiquette will be along shortly to offer help if you are too dense to see the error of your ways. Please do not feel victimised. I don't have the patience to deal with fools, so am not really getting involved with your slovenliness.

Just a friendly warning that I hope you will take in good heart, you shit-head.

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Weatherlawyer

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate that some people would like to know who the roofer is. However, since I am still dealing with him, it wouldn't be sensible for me to name him here (not now, anyway). If you are keen enough to know to send me an email to request the information, then I would probably reveal him to you privately.

Reply to
1

Why - because you didn't say it first ? Sorry if it upset you - try harder next time, and try not to feel too disappointed. (geddit!)

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jake

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