RF / home automation course - review.

I got a NICEIC email a few months back saying they were doing a one day course, along with Click, explaining, and showing, how RF automation works.

£120 inc. VAT, with the 'dangling carrot' of £50 of RF goods free. OK, may be worthwhile, as I know nothing about it, so I booked it, and went yesterday.

It was booked as 9 until 5. Actual time, 9 until 3.30, but could have been finished by 2, and if no dinner, by 1pm. Presentation was good, with a range of the kit all shown in use, practical uses, how to use it, how to program it. It is really simple, and nothing to be feared, very simple to install and program. Some good ideas, such as where a 2 gang switch can be used to control 4 appliances, and being RF, does not need any switch wires, so the switch can be put anywhere, or, a small remote can be used to do the same thing.

The kit shown was good, and seems to be good quality. However, when asked how much things cost, the answer was dodged every time. Of course they didnt want you to know how much it cost, as the price was ridiculous. We didnt find out from the Presenters, we got our phones out and googled, to find a single light (2/4 way) and actuator RF switch would be roughly £130.

The fixed controller for central use was £400+. Now, for 'normal' use, you'd be laughed off site when quoting such prices, so this kit was only ever going to be for high-end customers, even then, I would find it hard to try to sell such a system, which has one point of failure - the controller, whereas a typical house would have the many services (alarm,heating, lighting etc) all separate.

For some applications, such as adding a new light switch without doing any chasing/decorating, it could be a good thing, albeit a rather expensive one.

Then we get the 'free' goods. This was somewhat of a disappointment. I would have expected a rf switch and actuator (but on seeing their price, maybe not). We got a RF controlled plug-in socket, and a key fob remote to control it. The type of thing that Toolstation sell for £15 for 3. Being as I already have 3 of these, it is of little use.

It was good to see how these things work, but, I really should have read up beforehand to see how simple it was, and not bother paying to be told. Far too expensive at £120. For £50, it would have been worthwhile, especially as it really could have been shown in 4 hours, and not padded out after dinner. The kit is good, but too expensive, which they know, as they will not say how much it costs. Overall, I'd say avoid this day of salemens pitches. If you want to know about it, give them a ring and ask for their brochures, all the stuff is in there.

Alan.

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A.Lee
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On Saturday 15 June 2013 08:17 A.Lee wrote in uk.d-i-y:

This stuff is a tad cheaper - think it is of german origin:

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There are quite a lot of other systems - but if comitting to a house installation, I would try to find a manufacturer with long lived products - it's no good not being able to get compatible replacements in the future.

The "right way" (TM) to do this stuff is point to point RF switches and load controllers with the option of a variety of controllers that can also control various loads.

That way a single item failure takes out either one control circuit - or - the fancy value added options. It still leaves you with most of the house still working under manual control.

The really-right-way (TM) is for an open standard control protocol to emerge (same RF frequesncy, same data sequences) so that a variety of manufacturers' parts can be mixed. This would also ensure a decently long life for a system.

Whilst we enjoy this with the Internet and with stuff like DVDs, TVs and so on, the home/industrial automation industry is notoriously poor.

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Tim Watts

"we've teamed up with" = we'll only tell you about brand X

I'd have thought one key thing is how to install RF kit so that doesn't have signal problems - eg don't attach it to an RSJ, don't expect signal to go through the steel wardrobe doors, etc.

Sigh. There's really no reason for that.

Do such systems all use the same bands? Wouldn't be surprised if installing another system for lighting caused sufficient interference to cause trouble with the alarm/heating/wifi/etc.

Let me guess... the 'free' goods were different/unbranded compared to the bits you can buy from their glossy website?

I've been similarly bitten before (though I didn't pay for the privilege).

Supposedly ZigBee is a standard for RF home automation products though takeup seems to be poor (partly since they're done stupid things on the licensing front).

Theo

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Theo Markettos

On Saturday 15 June 2013 09:57 Tim Watts wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Brain aneurism...

What I wanted to say, but was tired, was "and the option of adding a variety of central controllers ranging from simple "anti burglar light randomisers" to "remote internet control gateways" to "full on whole house mood controllers.

If that expensive box of tricks dies, you still have the ability to turn the lights on at the wall switch.

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Tim Watts

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