Re: There are some crooks about.

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they do have much bigger snakes in the US, so Snake Oil is very

cheap:

"At the core of the Power Optimizer? energy saving device is our patented semiconductor chip. This chip utilizes specific wavelengths of infrared light to stabilize the vibration state of "spinning" electrons."

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Dave Liquorice
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ROFL. One sucker born every minute seems to be a vast under estimate.

Be amusing to see their actual US patents - although it would not surprise me if USPTO had granted them patents for obvious garbage. USPTO's test is "are your dollars green and in sufficient quantity".

Xerox actually have a US patent on the mathematical identity X + (-X) = 0 as applied to JPEG decoding.

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Martin Brown

As apposed to spinning in its publicity context no doubt.

Where is my pyramid.

Brian

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Brian Gaff

Ah! The original Dirac *spindizzy* :-)

regards

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Tim Lamb

I always wondered where the drains went in those flying cities ...

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for anyone a bit baffled.)

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Huge

I remember them.

Flying cities.

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Bob Eager

If X is floating point, that's trickier to achieve in a computer than you might imagine ;-).

Paul DS.

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Paul D Smith

Rubbish. If X is floating point the result stands exactly as stated. At least for normalised values of X. Not sure about the result when X is NaN.

MBQ

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Man at B&Q

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sm_jamieson

well in floating point there is no such thing as an generally exact number.. so X-X is not determinate - at best you might say it 'is less than a very small number'

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The Natural Philosopher

I totally agree. In fact since floating point numbers are most commonly represented as sign-and-magnitude it is even more certain, because +X and

-X will differ only in a single bit (the sign bit). Thus any possibility that the magnitudes might be slightly different is eliminated.

Richard.

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Richard Russell

This is untrue in the case of IEEE floating-point numbers anyway, because they use a sign-and-magnitude representation which guarantees that X-X is always exactly zero.

Richard.

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Richard Russell

No it doesn't.

Because the exact bit pattern will depend on how you arrived at each side of the X.

For exampe ((X * Y)/Y)/X will not always equal exactly one. For generalised values of X, Y.

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The Natural Philosopher

USPTO would actually be daft enough to grant a patent for gibberish.

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Martin Brown

That's nonsense. But I suspect you know that perfectly well!

Completely irrelevant to the subject under discussion.

Richard.

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Reply to
Richard Russell

Did you read the patent ?

Simon.

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sm_jamieson

But Apple are suing for infringement.

Reply to
Hugo Nebula

Good Grief! I'll have two!

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

Does this mean that the spinning electrons act like a gyro? Do you get one of those little metal eifel towers with it so you can balance it on one end without it falling off?

Brian

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Brian Gaff

Of course. The Pyramids weren't always that way up, you know.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

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