Re: RFD uk.d-i-y

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I agree with all that Andy has pointed out, and my opinion is also that this should be left as a single group.
Splitting this into a number of subgroups would lead to a lot of queries being cross posted. We are currently very fortunate in that the number of spam and abusive messages is small - other groups have significant problems with such messages, and they are often cross posted to 3 or more groups. I use a filter called NewsProxy to remove anything cross posted to more than 3 groups, and if uk.d-i-y was to split then I would be faced with either losing utility in this powerful tool against spam, or missing posts which might otherwise have been of interest to me.
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Absolutely. As the OP said "uk.d-i-y is a very successful group". The very *last* thing you want to do with a very successful group is b*gg*r it about. IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
A large fraction of the ng audience lurks waiting for something they are interested in, or know about, to come up, when they can contribute. Hardly any of these will bother to browse 6 (or more) separate newsgroups. You run the very high risk of replacing one successful newsgroups with 6 that never maintain enough critical mass to survive and which (if they do survive) are the preserve of almost private conversations between a very limited number of people.
As to the name change, if it were a new ng, uk.rec.d-i-y would probably be appropriate. As it isn't and is successful and has an identity, leave it alone is my vote.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:04:46 +0100, Andrew Hodgson

150 posts a day is quite light volume, and not in itself sufficient in my opinion to warrant a whole sub-hierarchy of groups.
A mechanism used quite successfully on other groups is one of "tagging" whereby topics of a particular nature are tagged at the front of their subject line.
Using the above as examples:
[plumbing]How do I fit a condensing boiler? [decorating]What's the new Dulux pink-then-white paint like? [construction]Double or triple glazing for conservatories?
and so on.
Obviously it relies upon people's co-operation, but it's a simple change to an existing charter, and if the wording "encourages" people to use it, shouldn't cause too many ruffled feathers as it's implemented.
Just a suggestion.
Paul.
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[snip new groups discussion]

It's often used on groups where common sense suggests that there is a logical split between topics, but people refuse to split the group!
People have complained that they wouldn't read the sub-groups. There's an obvious answer to this: cross post. Electrical queries go to uk.d-i-y and uk.d-i-y.electrical etc etc. It's _much_ easier to get people to cross post than it is to get them to follow a scheme of tagging.
So, if you want to follow all discussions, just follow the main group as now. If you want to concentrate on a particular topic, read a sub-group.
I've only used uk.d-i-y for electrical matters so far, and it would have been very helpful to have uk.d-i-y.electrical (or whatever) to refer to, rather than wading through everything else. Whether other splits are useful, I don't know.
Just my £0.02. I don't expect anyone else to agree, or even take any notice!
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150 posts isn't particularly heavy traffic.
Suggestions to split uk.d-i-y have been made a number of times - most current posters seem to feel it's fine as it is. Dividing it up into a number of different groups would lose some of the lively 'cross-fertilisation' which makes the group so useful.
It's quite easy to simply ignore threads in which you have no interest, and watch those which appeal to you.
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Andrew Hodgson wrote:

IMO one of uk.d-i-y's biggest strengths is the vast depth of cross-dicipline knowledge available within the group. The vast majority of threads end up being cross-dicipline.
I believe that splitting the group up into sub-groups would risk fragmenting the huge and very valuable knowledge base.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:34:55 +0100, Grunff wrote:
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just another voice to add to those against this proposal, for reasons voived in this thread and in previous discussions.
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and IMO too

Seconded, thirded, and fourthed by all my posting personalities. (Aeiiee, it's true - I *am* IMM ;-) A d-i-y'er is by definition *not* a specialist, and is typically undertaking a *whole* job: it may have one discipline as its major component, but may entail redecorating/keeping redecoration to a minimum, and benefit from hints-n-tips on 'while you've got access to do task X it's worth doing tasks Y and Z as well'. For all these reasons, Grunff's belief that

is one which I heartily share. And as others have said, the 150 posts per day don't represent excessive volume, especially as most posters are sensible enough to offer a specific title for each basenote rather than a daft thing like "Question". (You *do* all use real threaded newsreaders, don't you? Non-threading newsreaders are timewasting devilspawn!)
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This has surfaced a number of times. The general consensus has always been to keep it as one group
bear in mind that:
There is quite often useful input to a thread from people who might not look in the subgroup of interest
Topics quite often cross boundaries
people pick up useful tips which might not be of direct use to them at the time but useful later
While the number of posts varies from time to time, I don't think it's of a level where the advantages outweigh the disadvantages
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Many of the people who regularly post answers to uk.d-i-y have already made it plain that they would ignore any sub-groups if they were created.

It is far from the busiest group I subscribe to and I see no reason to divide it.
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It seems eminently sensible to subdivide in this way if necessary, but is there any evidence that 1. each of the proposed groups will carry the traffic worthy of its creation, and 2. that the groups will be sufficiently distinct to avoid any major crossposting?
I suspect that a daily total of 150 posts is insufficient to support so many subgroups. The creation of all these groups would increase traffic only because posters would feel an increased necessity to crosspost.
I would expect that Andrew has some breakdown of the sort of subjects currently dealt with on uk.diy, however wouldn't uk.d-i-y.gardening be stomping on uk.rec.gardening? There is also the possibility that groups such as u.d.electrical and u.d.plumbing, for instance could become choked with trade adverts. If that's not the object, write it out at charter stage.
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I should just point out that I did not make the claim of 150 posts per day, and that I was not the op. I do read uk.d-i-y and find that because I am not particularly specialised in some areas (i.e, woodworking et al), that I tend to delete a lot of threads. However, I do find it useful on occasions.
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Which will result in a trap for the unwary - everything worth posting will remain here - hence the others will have a few questions and very few answers.
Leave it be - but voluntary tagging is a reasonable idea.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:04:46 +0100, Andrew Hodgson

As a daily reader of uk.d-i-y I would not offer support for such a proposal at this time. I am set firm against it.
Thanks for letting us know this was afoot, THAT was good form.
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Wonder what non DIY gardening consists of?
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Dave Plowman wrote:

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Ah. It would be a low traffic group then?
Apart from things like deck and fence construction there's virtually no gardening questions on here at the moment - not surprising considering there are already plenty of gardening groups.
I'd add my voice to the 'why bother' group - this one isn't too big to handle, and the diversity of subject makes it a more enjoyable read.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:15:32 UTC, Dave Plowman

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