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>"The majority of financial service professionals in a survey considered
>MitB to be the greatest threat to online banking."
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>Of all the instances of MitB in the article every single one uses
>windows as the vehicle apart from oner OS/X, Not one uses Linux. >
>How come? could it be that Microsoft doesn't develop code to make it
>better, faster, smaller, moire secure, more resilient, but just to make
>last years code redu7nbdant, so you have to pay to upgrade?
No, nothing as complex as any of that ... it's because all of the companies listed would rather risk loosing billions than employ even one Linux geek (and OSX can often be administered by a 'normal person'). ;-)
Maybe they never tested any Linux versions to start with ? We run an intranet that was *sold* as "works on all major browsers. Turns out it only "runs" on IE9. We found this out when I commented it looked shit in Chrome (my browser of choice).
What t i m wrote, is nothing to to with what the link I posted has to say.
Which is all about the installation of malware on a client side computer. I pointed out that only Windows and OSX machines were affected, and like a great pike he lunges up and takes the troll, and spouts off at a totally irrelevant tangent, that has nothing to do with what I said,. or the link said.
Whether what he said was a gratuitous insult, or merely an example of utter irrelevancy syndrome*, I don't know, but it suggests he didn't read the link or didn't understand it if he did.
*One of the Final Placement Syndromes identified by Laurence Peter, when an employee has risen to his level of incompetence. He indulges in behaviour that is utterly irrelevant in order to disguise the fact he hasn't a clue what to actually do.
You offered a link and comment questioning why people didn't use Linux in that instance:
"Of all the instances of MitB in the article every single one uses windows as the vehicle apart from oner OS/X, Not one uses Linux."
You then asked why?
"How come? could it be that Microsoft doesn't develop code to make it better, faster, smaller, moire secure, more resilient, but just to make last years code redu7nbdant, so you have to pay to upgrade?"
I offered a reason and once again you have reinforced my comment more that I could have ever done.
"There's a grain of truth in every joke" ... or more than a grain in your case. ;-)
Now, I know you Linux geeks love challenge so can you please tell me how I might be able to scan from Ubuntu 14.04 and my Ricoh SP C250sf MFP please? I have got it to print ok (the nearest model was the SP C222sf) but if I start up Simple Scan I can't see where I would choose the scanner and after a bit it locks up in any case and then offers to force quit itself. ;-(
It prints and Scans from W10 perfectly (dual boot on the same PC) so I know it's all connected ok. Oh, and I upgraded the printer firmware using a Windows utility. There was an OSX one but no mention of Linux. ;-(
Then I opened my 3D printing program RepetierHost and it told me there was a new version. I downloaded, and extracted it but had to Google how to run the configuration utility they supply (from the CLI so loads of working my way round the folders). It looks like it's done something but mentioned Mono and .Net and I don't have a clue what to do with it now. Oh well, at least I can always just reboot into Windows and do stuff ...
You said "How come? could it be that Microsoft doesn't develop code to make it better, faster, smaller, moire secure, more resilient, but just to make last years code redu7nbdant, so you have to pay to upgrade?".
(notice the typos in what you wrote - bit poor of you to complain about his misuse of "loosing" when you regularly can't type straight).
His reply was "No, nothing as complex as any of that ... it's because all of the companies listed would rather risk loosing billions than employ even one Linux geek (and OSX can often be administered by a 'normal person'). ;-)"
That reply is pointing out that many companies would rather go microsoft despite the potential problems that it brings than hire a single linux techy. Ie because of that captive market, MS can do whatever they want - no need to fix the problems.
It's saying MS don't need to do what you say they do, it's simpler than that, and agreeing that getting people to use Linux or Apple would help.
Ie it is relevant to what you wrote, and it's nothing like what you think was said.
Thanks very much for trying to explain it to him Clive. However, I think, you, me and anyone else trying to convince him that what we say isn't what he thinks we said is wasting their time.
I think it's a touch of "There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See".
On a more serious note, I'm not yet sure if it's something he does as a clever wind-up or that he simply believes what he reads the way he takes it. I think once the red mist falls (because someone tries to make a joke or dares to have their own viewpoint on something that counters his), then the writing is already on the wall and there is no return from the brink.
Either way it's obvious he can't cope so (for the benefit of all) I'll leave him to it again.
Cheers, T i m
p.s. In spite of there being no way TNP could possibly disprove all (or any of for that matter) the issues I have personally experienced with Linux, however, he feels he has the need and right to call me a liar for daring to tell the truth? Is it any wonder Linux has this bad rep in general ... and people are noticing how often TNP attacks and insults people for having their own opinion, just because they happen to find Windows easier than Linux for example. You really can't
You are going off your rocker. I used to take you reasonably seriously until this thread. If this what Linux does to the brain I'll will never allow it into my mighty cranium.
I dont think you actually understood what I wrote either.
He says 'all of the companies listed' I assume he means all of the companies listed in the link, but there *are no companies listed in the link*.
Neither were any companies listed in the original post. So he is simply inventing some 'mythical 'listed companies' and endowing them with mythical attitudes that don't actually even provide an amusing answer to a question I didn't actually ask.
I was not actually talking about issues with corporate desktops. This particular malware approach infests YOUR desktop. YOU can get this malware and it will steal YOUR bank details and it relies on Windows On YOUR computer to run. Not some 'listed company's'
Your explanation doesn't stack up either.
I say 'could it be that Microsoft is more interested in money than its customers (best interests), and you say that he said they have a captive market, so why should they care?
Well that doesn't make sense either, you need more thahn a captive market to make money, you need obsolescence to continue to make money with fresh sales.
"A MitB Trojan works by utilising common facilities provided to enhance browser capabilities such as Browser Helper Objects (a feature limited to Internet Explorer), browser extensions and user scripts (for example in JavaScript) etc."
Its not what you say, it's because windows makes it EASY.
And I think you *are* going to need it after that! ;-)
When I was a CNI (Certified Novell Instructor) I watched the gradual erosion of Netware to NT / Windows Server. One of the reasons for this migration was that 'most companies' found it was *easier* to install and maintain Microsoft stuff, even if it needed more looking after and hence more people to do it.
In a similar way to VHS and Beta, where Beta was supposed to be technically better but because the rental companies went for VHS, that (because of the userbase), became the defacto-standard. Also with HD and Blueray.
No one (here anyway that I have seen) have suggested Windows (or OSX) are *better* than Linux, especially for servers and the like but there is no doubt that the skills needed to administer Windows are very different to those needed for Linux and to a lesser degree, OSX.
For the self admin'd desktop, it's the same story, with billions of self trained folk clicking their way to solutions and who are stopped stone dead by the CLI (as I am to a degree). The reason this is the case is the GUI tools and solutions can often be *explored* ('l'll click here and see what happens ...' and who reads the manuals these days) whereas it would need a thousand monkeys typing on the terminal to get some of the CLI stuff correct (as I have watched many times even with the geeks trying to help each other).
So, as Apple worked out when they gave users the tools to get music and put it on their mp3 players (iTunes), if the Linux admin tools got better, clickable with pop-up / decent context sensitive help and a better range of options then maybe more ordinary people might take it up?
But of course the Linux geeks will oppose the idea of a GUI DE on a server ... ;-)
Is it not? Do you have access to some for of definitive list of what is or isn't supported please?
Whilst you could be right, I think it's more about administrating Linux is to me what driving a Motorcycle and sidecar is to riding a bike solo.
Apart from not actually needing (or wanting) your opinions on such matters (have I ever said anything like that to you?), to 'go back to XP' I'd have to have first left it, and I can't can I, apart to any Windows version including and after XP or even OSX possibly (especially if I want to scan from my new_to_me MFP)?
No, I'll carry on doing what I choose to do re when I get a new bit of kit, I set it up on all the machines in the house, for them to use or just the S&G's.
It looks like this will be just another example of Linux being 'ok' (it found the printer and I can print to it ok) but not 'good enough'. I keep trying because that has to change / improve ... doesn't it?
Just for some more S&G's, I might reboot into OSX and see how that fares.
Not unless I am doing something deeply geeky that a normal user wouldn't, and even then 99% of the time I cut and paste from, a website where someone else has already done it.
Its a damned sight easier than regedit is.
I don't object to you making valid criticism of Linux, but I do object to you propagating lies and myths that you must know to be simply untrue.
And then using my objections to make me out to be some kind of religious linux fanboi.
That's normally only done by paid Microsoft employees in my experience.
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