I wouldn't have believed this!

A pair of magpies has been building a nest in the top of our cupressus leylandi. Yes I know, but it's the only tree which is a shelter for birds for a long way round.

It's been fascinating watching them flying to the tree with very large lengths of twig, I wouldn't have believed it possible for them to carry such lengths - some more than 2' long I reckoned.

More than 600 cm for the Imperially challenged.

The tree is also host to very many smaller birds which build there, collar doves, blackbirds, sparrows, various t*ts, possibly a pair of woodpigeons, and I was worried about their nests being invaded for food for the young magpies when they happened. I've seen such a thing, it's not a happy sight.

Spouse collected a long ladder from a son tonight, two x 13' (work it out!), put it against the tree and, with me standing on the bottom and praying, climbed up to the top. I wasn't happy about his doing it but he was determined.

When he got to the top of the tree he began throwing down the nest material. When I saw it coming, in the advancing gloom, I bent my head. Sometimes things hit my arms, holding the ladder. It hurt. There was one large, shaped lump of compacted mud too.

When he came down we picked up the bits and pieces to burn.

The mud was held together with various coated and plain wires. There were long lengths of stout wire - some as thick as coat hangers, there was a wire wall tie, there was a decorative white plastic coated 'Gothic arch' thing which is used to edge flower beds. There were twigs too of course. There were pieces of plastic and bits of roofing felt.

I thought it would just be a haphazard pile of twigs, that's what these nests look like from the ground, but no, it was all carefully tied together, the bent wire made it very difficult for Spouse to dismantle. Tomorrow I'll look at the wire in daylight and perhaps weigh it too. It was a real eye-opener for me, who thought she knew something about magpie nests.

Mary

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Mary Fisher
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Thats nothing, have you ever seen a Girder Hawks nest, now that is impressive.

Reply to
keith_765

I was under the impression that destroying nests like this was illegal under the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981.

Peter Crosland

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Peter Crosland

I haven't, we don't have girder hawks in Leeds. Do they use girders? :-)

Mary

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Mary Fisher

It is and carries a 5K fine, but who gives a shit?

-the tree was in Mary's garden, ergo it's up to her what goes on in aformentioned tree, all this bollox about not cutting trees down or doing anything that might disturb wildlife has gone too far, farmers kill crows by the thousand and regularly blast holes through their nests with shotguns, and lets face it, who wants a gaggle of screeching magpies outside their bedroom window for the next six months?

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Phil L

Mary Fisher formulated on Monday :

They drink Irn-Bru (sp?)

Reply to
Harry Bloomfield

... some more than 2' long I reckoned.

Well spotted! I originally put 60 cm then added a zero, intending to change it to mm for the pedantic.

Mary

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Reply to
Mary Fisher

So was I but I took advice and was informed that magpies are an exception because they are regarded as vermin.

I wasn't happy about it.

Mary

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Mary Fisher

There is no longer a pest species list, so there is no general right to kill wild birds (except game birds in season) or to destroy their nests. You should have obtained a licence WLF 100087 from DEFRA's Wildlife Administration Unit first. That is the relevant licence for an authorised person (usually the landowner or someone acting on behalf of the landowner) to destroy the nest of certain species, including Magpies, for the purpose of preserving wild birds.

Colin Bignell

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nightjar

The advice you were given was was wrong. A quickj Google proveded me with the following link

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Crosland

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Peter Crosland

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Apparently you don't have to apply for the licence - acordingto EPB. It's a confused situation.

But our eason wasfor theprotection of otherwildbirds -aswell as ourown expectedchicks - if action istakenagainst usso beit.

The thread was about the surprising contents of the nest :-)

I think you know my opinions about preservation of wildlife, exceptions prove the rule.

Mary

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Mary Fisher

Perhaps the wire was part of the magpie's electric fence project developed to deter vandals.:-)

Reply to
Mike Halmarack

It wasn't connected to a supply though, perhaps they were waiting for whatever alphabetical Part they needed.

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

If you want to see a really impressive nest building bird , check out the Bind Linnets nest. Its related to the Underground Miner Bird.

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keith_765
[somewhat OT comment which might interest someone]

Mary Fisher wrote: [...]

in the phrase 'exceptions prove the rule', the word 'prove' means 'test'. Which makes the actual phrase much more sensible, and means that people using it as a way to excuse an exception, are misusing it.

Not a lot of people know that. No slur on Mary's actions intended or implied!

jon N

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jkn

The following text is taken from the General Licence on Defra's website.

"The purpose for which this licence is granted is the conservation of wild birds."

"...this licence permits: (i) any authorised person to kill or take any of the wild birds listed in this subparagraph, to take, damage or destroy their nests or to take or destroy their eggs. The wild birds are: Crow Corvus corone Gull, Great Black-backed Larus marinus Gull, Lesser Black-backed Larus fuscus Gull, Herring Larus argentatus Jackdaw Corvus monedula Jay Garrulus glandarius Magpie Pica pica Pigeon, Feral Columba livia Rook Corvus frugilegus"

...as far as I'm concerned, Canada Geese are missing.

As I haven't quoted the entire text of the Act and licence conditions, you shouldn't take any action solely on the above, but my reading is that destroying magpie's nests for the preservation of other wild birds is permitted (during the validity of the licence).

Sid

Reply to
unopened

They don't nest in Leeds.

Mary

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Mary Fisher

I did. It's the way we used it in scientific writing.

Mary

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Mary Fisher

Absolutely. They're a real pest - you can skin them and eat the breast and legs, though, so at least they're useful for something.

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Chris Bacon

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