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I think it's highly possible that graduates in future could take their degree, enjoy the leaving party, and book a one-way ticket to somewhere else for twenty-five years, after which the debt is cancelled. We will continue to underfund education and research in Britain (the former should be funded from general taxation), so that any lucrative post abroad will seem even better once a graduate sees the resources available in comparison to our penny-pinching short-termist approach. Of course, if we didn't indulge in wasteful excursions like the Iraq war we might have more to spare for something far more important, namely education. I would also say that Blair should concentrate on getting school leavers to an educational stage where they can actually string a sentence together without any spelling mistakes. Universities are having to cram some basic education into some first-year students so that they are capable of following the coursework. I am convinced that the normal standard of education in the public at large in Britain is abysmally low.
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:19:21 +0000, Mike Mitchell

I've already told my kids to do just that. It will also give my wife and I a place to visit on holiday each year.
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"...my wife and me..."
Sorry, couldn't resist!
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:32:05 +0000, Mike Mitchell

You know, although I didn't make the grade at English O level, I could have sworn that our English teacher said "Xyz and I" was the correct usage, not "Xyz and me".
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... which probably says a lot about your English teacher :-(
"My wife and I went to viist our friends" (subject of sentence) "Our friends came to visit my wife and me" (object of sentence)
I guess, though, that its many years since such basics of grammar were actually taught in schools ...
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:20:42 +0000, Julian Fowler

Actually, though it was a secondary modern, I think the English teacher most probably did teach those examples which you quote. But I was already a techie by this time in my educational calendar and English was boring, boring, boring. So I didn't take a whole lot of notice.
I think I got CSE grade 2 for English - it certainly wasn't O level or CSE grade 1.
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:20:42 +0000, Julian Fowler

Well, I left school at fifteen. However, it was in 1961. That is the difference. I was taught clause analysis by a semi-drunk Irish legend until my ears almost bled - which would have hardly been surprising given the frequency of his little loveable cuffs about the head.
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:29:27 +0000, Mike Mitchell

Ah, those were the days. Back in the 60's we had teachers who threw board rubbers across the classroom at anyone not paying attention, and those were serious blocks of wood! It was also the done thing to have a plimsol whacked across your backside in front of the class if you did something wrong.
My parents told me often enough that if I did wrong they'd march me in front of the headmaster to make sure I got due punishment. Worked for me.
Obviously in this day and age teachers aren't allowed to even breathe heavy on a student. I sometimes wonder whether this change of situation might have a relationship with increased crime levels, but I expect there must be another explanation.
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Ah, I remember it well - the slipper being 'stored' in the 'sleeve' of the masters gown.
And don't forget the odd chair thrown by the English teacher.
Another Old Cestrefeldian by any chance?
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Curiously, we survived without all (or even a few) becoming homicidal maniacs, or whatever the terrifying outcome would be as predicted by the do gooders and their "no smacking" rule. I just don't think it is possible to reason with animals or children, as they (especially the latter) haven't yet developed any skill in exercising logic. The day tigers, lions and domestic cats stop cuffing their offspring to keep them on the straight and narrow, that's when I might start to listen to all the nannies whom we have to thank for the dire state of public behaviour in Britain.

My mother wore the trousers and she caned me often. The NSPCC would probably have cried "victim", but I really loved my mum. I knew I had deserved it.

It's a complex issue, but it is a fact that many people today do not appear to know the first rules of social interaction. I call many people today the diagonals. When I was younger people seemed to take a bit of care where they walked, and we would never rudely cut across somebody on the pavement. But it happens so often nowadays that there's no point getting upset about it. People have absolutely no respect for each other. Better behaviour has to be learned from somewhere. My solution is to reintroduce a form of National Service, say for 9 months instead of the original two years, and with greater emphasis on learning how society works and citizenship than fighting wars. Most wars will anyway be fought in future using high-tech weaponry, whereas you need citizenship every day of the week.
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I call them the Thatcher children - "no such thing as society" she said. Those brought up under her are pigs, as she promoted the me, me, me, screw the rest mentality.
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It is when using the nominative. Thus: "My wife and I went to the station to see the engines shunt." But note: "A lump of coal flew out of the boiler and hit my wife and me in the face."
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All the cars/trucks are made abroad (bar specialised low-volume) What are all those degree 'qualified' people going to do ?.
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You mean low grade programming.

We now have a massive service industry.
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spotting-shifty-characters (security guard), hygiene (fast food sales) or practical-stupidity (B&Q)
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:15:22 +0000, Andrew

Talking of B&Q, has anyone noticed how far superior the staff are at Homebase? They are more polite. more helpful, and look neater and tidier.
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:34:38 +0000, Mike Mitchell

I think that it has more to do with locality.
The Focus near to me is full of surly teenagers.
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:34:38 +0000, Mike Mitchell

The Homebase in Bracknell has recently become quite improved. Several months ago I complained herein that it took absolutely agggesss to get thru the checkouts. I have to report with the benefit of recent experience that that does seem to have improved.
Mind you, I recently received a Homebase Spend and Save voucher for 34, so it's entirely possible that they are now laying on a special checkout for me given that I'm spending quite a bit in their store ;)
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