Re: examples of digital rip-off

[Conor]

No.

[Adrian]

You missed off the smiley, or are you really that stupid?

[Adrian]

He said he was getting his signal from Crystal Palace, analogue and digital are group A.

[Man at B&Q]

That's total bollocks, and it will only get worse once they have us all over the digital barrel and start pumping even more channels down the same mulitiplexes.

MBQ

[Paul Martin]

Are you watching the same digital signals as the rest of us?

[Bill Wright]

These DIY shed aerials are all wideband, and many are crap.

Bill

[Ian Jackson]

Maybe it's the cross-posting, but some contributors simply don't seem to be seeing that, for Crystal Palace, ALL the digital MUXes ARE within the Group A bandwidth. They are between Chs 22 and 34 inclusive.

[tony sayer]

As it isn't as good as good analogue;!...

Now digital satellite does look good:)...

[Ian Jackson]

In message , tony sayer writes

But is there any good analogue any more? Surely what we get these days is digital converted to analogue?

And, even if you do get a 'good' analogue signal, there's a good chance that it will be co-channel with a not-too-distant digital MUX. Even under 'flat' propagation conditions, the SNR can be visibly impaired, and if there's a 'lift' on, the analogue signal can be virtually unwatchable.

[PeterC]

Until there's heavy snow or rain.

[Graham.]

Yes, you are right, digital terrestrial has a better picture quality than analogue, (provided nothing moves of course).

[tony sayer]

In article , Ian Jackson scribeth thus

Yes thats right .. but its at rates the like of which you'll never see as an end user;)....

No problems here from Sandy Heath..

And what makes you think that -digital- transmission is immune to CCI?..

[tony sayer]

Not if you have an adequate -rain fade- margin in the system;)..

[tony sayer]

In article , Graham. scribeth thus

Even then the colour grading leaves a few bits to be desired;)..

[Paul Martin]

There are very occasionally rain storms which are so heavy that there's no signal whatsoever that gets through them. I've experienced that one.

Oh, and if the snow settles heavily on your dish, there's not going to be much signal until it thaws or you knock it off. (This happened to me in early December.)

[dennis]

It used to be analogue all the way to the transmitter. Then it was analogue, to digital to analogue. Then it was digital to digital to analogue. Now its digital to digital to digital to either analogue or digital depending on the display.

[Ian Jackson]

In message , "dennis@home" writes

So can I take that as a qualified 'yes'?

[tony sayer]

In article , Paul Martin scribeth thus

I've seen -one- of them in the last Ten years that took the feeds to the land based TX'es out;!...

Compared to the impairment caused by CCI thats not bad going Dontcha think?..

Not a problem here with the odd shape of the LNB blocks in use..

[PeterC]

Well, hello Paul! How's ZN doing these days? I often wonder how Zetland is progressing.

[Bruce]

No, and there never was.

People tend to put on rose-tinted spectacles (and headphones!) when they recall the "golden age" of vinyl records, analogue TV, Radio 1 on AM (Medium Wave). My grandparents fondly remembered 78 RPM records and didn't like new fangled 33.3 RPM vinyl LPs, even when played in stereo. People just cling on to old things and feel threatened by anything new.

As far as I am concerned, digital terrestrial is a huge improvement on even the best analogue picture I have seen. In my experience, the picture quality of digital satellite (BSkyB) is not as good as Freeview; I have both.

Other people have different experiences, and I respect that. But making dogmatic statements about analogue being fundamentally better than digital isn't helpful, because it just isn't true.