Hi,
I've just read through the PlanningPortal stuff on outbuildings at
a) If it is less than 15m2 area[1] and overall height =15m2 and
What you have said broadly ties in with what I think I have been told :-)
From chatting to my BCO and a planning officer during the long and tortuous design of the Mother of All Sheds I was told that the 30 sq. m. was the INTERNAL floor area! I don't suppose they are too worried about thick walls.
So if you are less than 2m from a boundary you have to have a flat roof. If you want to go closer than 1m you also have to be 'constructed of substantially no combustible materials '
I haven't seen anything about '5m from the house'
As for the electrics - just hope the 'Love In' abolishes Part P.
Cheers
Dave R
Just run the Flash pictorial guide for the first time and was interested to note that the restrictions on balconies and verandas seems to apply to the main residence, not (as I thought) to the new outbuilding.
Still no roof terrace for sunbathing and spying on the neighbours as that would presumably fall foul of the 'single storey' rule, but it looks as though I could include a veranda on the front of my shed.
Now puzzled over the difference between a veranda and some decking with a pergola over the top :-)
Only if constructed of substantially non-cumbustible material. That is to say a wooden shed can not sit 0m from the boundary. Yes, most do, although to be honest it is wise to leave at least 60cm if only to maintain the shed cladding & gutter overhang, water butt etc. If a neighbour does not mind now, a future one might deny access for maintenance.
Part P does not apply to contents of a shed/garage etc. Part P does apply to installation of a new circuit or extension of a new circuit across a garden, but does NOT apply to maintaining a pre- existing circuit crossing a garden. That is to say if you find FTE buried direct (!) you can legally replace with SWA installed to BS7671.
If you have a wooden shed "on the boundary" that predates BR it can be repaired without having to comply with current PD, you can even ask for a Certificate Of Lawfulness. However in practice if repairing a shed I would move it at least 60cm from a boundary re maintenance with the provision for it to move to 100cm if required. In some gardens the
100cm rule is ridiculous to implement because they are so narrow, it comes down to what your neighbours are like and also the council. Some neighbours do not like anything "near" a greenhouse for example even if they are behind the solar transit all day & all year round, mainly because they are ostensibly stupid.Do watch the height limits, they DO tend to bite on that aspect. Gardens with a large body of sloping ground are subject to height measured on said sloping ground, not from the height at the house end. It gets more involved than that, but does not preclude you building a shed/garage.
A veranda is attached to the house.
Decking and a pergola isn't.
Owain
I remember after first having read that some years ago, I realised I had built my workshop less than 1m from the boundary (next door to the neighbours shed - also less than 1m from the boundary). I paid carefull attention next time I took the dog for a walk to note the position of sheds around the locality. I don't think I spotted any that were *not* in violation of that rule!
I wonder of that creates a nice loop hole? "Yeh, some muppet had installed an external submain in T&E buried under the garden, so I replaced it with SWA", neglecting the mention the muppet in question was you the week before! (in fact, all you would need would be a photo of a short section of buried T&E)
Hi,
Yes, I thought that: but looking at their wording (long, sorry):
"Building Regulations
If you want to put up small detached buildings such as a garden shed or summerhouse in your garden, building regulations will not normally apply if the floor area of the building is less than 15 square metres and contains NO sleeping accommodation.
If the floor area of the building is between 15 square metres and 30 square metres, you will not normally be required to apply for building regulations approval providing that the building contains NO sleeping accommodation and is either at least one metre from any boundary or it is constructed of substantially non-combustible materials."
The 2nd para makes reference to teh 1m rule but the 1st doesn't. Perhaps that's been relaxed due to teh fact they know everyone puts sheds up against the fence?
Yes, I totally agree. Couple of foot is sensible.
That's interesting. The circuit itself is on my current BNA for the house (I planned ahead!). So I could get my current BNA signed off just by installing the circuit to where the shed is going to be... Not that I'm that bothered, once the house is signed off anyway...
Yes, common sense usually rules... As it happens the ground falls low where I'm thinking of siting it, so I might make it fall a little more, dropping the shed roofline down further. You'd hardly notice it over a
6' fence that way.
Yes I shall. I would like to design this shed myself, so I can engineer a slighly shallower roof pitch in if needs be, even for a pitched roof.
Thanks for the comments :)
Cheers
Tim
Ditto :)
Being a workshop or maybe a smaller workshop and a seprate "clean lab" for computing/electronics, I'd like to get these right.
The random cheap garden toolstore I won't care about - worst case, I unscrew it and move it :)
Reminds me - must draft that letter to the local MP...
Could that be a "lost in translation" for the website?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So you can't use it as a dog house when you have upset SWMBO?
Adam
Maybe. That's why I asked here. I'm always suspicious of "handy summaries" of complex laws...
Any idea where this stuff is defined in full? My planning dept aren't the sort who let people drop in and ask random questions so I'd be wasting my time with them...
Or get some peace :) Noooo - not the nuts, I meant the kids! Peace from the kids...
I'm tempted to stick a sink in one, for PCB work - damn sure that would be against the rules...
I must admit that water and drainage (plus a working loo) would be quite handy in the workshop - save having to trek in while in the middle of something (and a darn site easier than getting a cup of coffee to wander its way out!)
(and a darn site easier than getting a cup of coffee to wander
You need intercom cables for when you are in the good books! eg "Hi fetch me a coffee please sweetheart" and SWMBO will come running down the garden with a freshly brewed pot of coffee.
Or maybe not
Adam
It's OK - I'm training the kids :)
Perfectly reasonable to have a sink in such a building. Washing dogs, soaking plants, washing wellies etc. My barn has a toilet, cartering size sink (actually two, a single and a double in an annex), and oil fired central heating. No beds so nothing anyone can do about it!
AWEM
I have a phone out there that is an extension on the PABX - so I can call direct!
and that is how it usually works out...
Interesting... I've just come across this:
That does seem to concur that buildings
Possibly. However amusing they say 1000mm, so not 999.4mm... sigh.
Do post back if you find concrete (or wooden) confirmation :-) Either that or everyone stick them on wheels with a large topiary single extended finger in the front garden.
Think I've got it:
" SCHEDULE 2 Regulation 9 Exempt buildings and work
...
CLASS 6 Small detached buildings
Para 1 is what everyone is agreed on.
Para 3 confirms my belief that the 1m rule is not applicable for smaller buildings...
I've checked the amendments as best I ca and this does not seem to change...
However the one bit they did change was that Part P *is* applicable to greenhouses and Class 6 and Class 7 buildings :(
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