Hi all
Now looking at replacing rather than re-using old cistern for new Laufen back to wall pan. Need quality options for concealed shallow cistern to be boxed in. Andy Hall has suggested Grohe. Discovered Geberit on my travels this weekend. Anyone else got recommendations please. Ideally looking for dual flush remote push button operation.
TIA
Phil
TheScullster wrote
My own experience with Grohe is not the best. How it compares with other brands, I can't tell, because this is the only dual-flush that I've had.
In the few months that I've had it, (a) it's 'locked'[1] twice and (b) the 2-part push button thingy now has one of the parts protruding very slightly more than the other.
Plus, the design of the flush buttons is counter-intuitive. With my Grohe, there's a small button and a big button. The small button does a big flush and the big button does a small flush.
Yes, you read that right!
Other Grohes in shops have been the same, but other makes are what I would call the 'right' way round.
I wouldn't buy another one.
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I haven't had the problems of lock up, although I agree that the button is counter-intuitive.
On one set of logic, one might expect a large button for a large flush and a small one for a small flush.
One might even expect them to be labeled with the numbers '1' and '2' to represent the normal "granny's doughnut in the greenhouse" UK euphemism.
However, the product is Teutonic and the logic transcends British sensibilities about sanitary installations. Remember that we don't have inspection shelves in our ceramic products.
I called Grohe about this and to paraphrase, the response was as follows:
- The purpose of dual flush is to save water.
- For most purposes, a small flush is adequate. (Here they are assuming that the quantity of UK number 1 exceeds quantity of UK number
2 bodily functions)- Therefore, ergonomics and they objective dictates that the use should be guided to use the flush option that will be used more often and which will achieve the eco-objective.
Did you check for plastic flash on the flush mechanism mouldings?
andy Hall knows everything so you'd better go with his suggestion. Anybody else will be wrong.
Mary
Sigh.....
"Mary Fisher" wrote
That I find hard to believe. However, he has in the past (and in this case) offered informed and considered opinion based on personal experience. This input has been of considerable assistance and I, for one, am grateful for his contribution particularly to my questions but also to the group as a whole.
Phil
"Andy Hall" wrote
Andy
I've looked at the literature for a number of cisterns, but the diagrams are not too clear. Do you know whether they all take the same dia flush pipe?
How do you find time to DIY if you spend that much time travelling?
Thanks
Phil
They can be challenging.
They may vary, but it shouldn't matter because the flush pipe and flexible adaptor for the pan are normally supplied with the cistern.
The Grohe one does appear to be a bit larger than those with the more typical UK manufactured cisterns. This may be part of the reason for the apparently greater oomph of flush. Also the adaptor for the soil pipe, which comes with the frame is slightly smaller - 90mm rather than
100. Whether that makes a difference I am not sure.One thing is to do as much preparation of a project as possible ahead of time. This includes any design bits like drawings and plans and especially procurement of materials. It's very easy to waste most of a Saturday morning visiting builders merchants and the rest of the day going to and from B&Q.
I can work out what is needed as a shopping list way ahead of time and procure for it. It's just as easy to do an order to Screwfix or whoever when sitting in an airport lounge in Bucharest as it is at home. Along these lines, I try to choose hotels with good internet connections - I need this for work use anyway.
I look for ideas in different places that I go.
I organise materials into project bundles for the duration of the project. Left over items are put into the next applicable one.
I normally run 2-3 projects at a time. Then if I get stuck on one through lack of materials or perhaps waiting for something to dry or even being dogged off , I can move on to the next.
Disposal can be a large time waster as well. If I go to the tip on a Saturday afternoon it can take 25 mins each way to drive plus 30mins or more waiting while people tit around sorting their rubbish into different containers at a very disorganised facility. If I go on Tuesday morning at 0800 when it opens, there is seldom anyone there - straight in, dump the rubbish and gone - total time 45 mins max.
If you add these pieces up they can easily come to half of the available DIY time. A bit of organisation and a lot can be achieved.
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