New washing machine delivered Sunday late morning, installed early afternoon, old one left on drive.
8:45 this morning pikey's turned up asking (?) if they could take it away!We live in a cul-de-sac, no passing traffic - have they got some kind of radar to detect scrap metal?
Perhaps they follow delivery vans.
Colin Bignell
Its the "early bird" syndrome. They probably tour every cul-de-sac on a Monday morn to pick up anything thrown out by the weekend DIY activity. Think yourself honoured they bothered to ask first.
Mike
MuddyMike ( snipped-for-privacy@mattishall.org.uk) wibbled on Monday 24 January 2011 09:29:
At least they asked!
Not a cul-de-sac, but they certainly drive round here regularly. If I have metal odds and ends to get rid of, I just leave them on the lawn with "scrap" written on or near them, and within 24 hours they are gone.
When I (foolishly I now realise) paid the council to have a fridge-freezer removed, it was one of these pick-ups (complete with documentation - I checked) who collected it.
Chris
- or noticed it when they were checking out your shed / vehicle / frontdoor at 3am
John
Twenty years ago I visited a customer who had a TV shop in South London with a service road and car park at the rear. He had an extensive TV and VCR rental business and when he had sufficient defunct units he would put them out at the back of the shop in preparation for taking a vanload to the local rubbish dump. He told me that on 95% of occasions he did not need to take them as they had gone within a short while. He illustrated this by putting a dozen scrap Betamax and huge Phillips VCRs out. Half an hour latter they had all vanished. These days you need to be cautious because a licence is required to carry waste for third parties and if the pikey is stopped and the goods are traceable to you then the fines can be quite large.
Peter Crosland
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Surely the licence and fine is with the carrier ? Mind you in the topsy turvy world of GB, a homeowner would probably be fined if a burgler was found carrying his telly. Simon.
Plumber replacing by brother's bath (in London). Drags the old one down the staircase, outside, and props it against the railings. Pops back upstairs to get the feet, and back down to put them with the bath, but it's gone. He left the feet outside in case they came back, but a few days later the feet were still there.
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In any sane society that would be the obvious implementation. However, this is England we're talking about and yes, in that case you'd be fined (too). So whenever you get any building work done, it's something you have to check that the contractor is licensed for. In that particular case; where stuff had been taken away without the owners permission the blame would be far from clear cut - at least you'd hope so!
Surely the licence and fine is with the carrier ? Mind you in the topsy turvy world of GB, a homeowner would probably be fined if a burgler was found carrying his telly. Simon.
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The carrier requires a licence and has to issue a copy of waste transfer notice to the person from whom the waste is collected. Both the carrier and consignor commit an offence if the carrier is not licensed and/or does not issue a waste transfer notice.
Peter Crosland
If the item was taken without the permission of the householder then it would technically be theft so the householder would not be liable. I don't see any problem in making the householder responsible for ensuring that he used a licensed carrier if it prevents fly tipping which is what happens to a lot of unauthorised waste collections.
Peter Crosland
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So what happens when your scrap is gone from where you left it when you next look? Come to that where is our bill of rights?
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So what happens when your scrap is gone from where you left it when you next look? Come to that where is our bill of rights?
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If the scrap is taken without the pernission, or knowledge, of the householder then that is theft so the householder has no liability.
Peter Crosland
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Peter Crosland ( snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.co.uk) wibbled on Monday 24 January 2011 09:49:
So it's probably better not to put a sign on them saying "scrap" or similar. Then you can just say you put them out ready to load the car and by the time you got the car ready, someone had nicked them!
In a way this thread sums up modern Britain. A straightforward transaction made endlessly complicated
Of course the householder should be responsible for where his waste ends up. A few years ago virtually every job I worked on had a couple of cold callers offering to take the waste away (not scrap) for less than the cost of a skip. Had we used them then I doubt that the waste would have been disposed of properly and we would have been as guilty as the unlicensed carrier for dumping the stuff.
Yes but the householder has to take the word of the carrier. Unless the householder can ask for a copy of the license to prove it - is that what is supposed to happen? In that case its like with building regs - responsibility of the householder, even if they have know knowledge of how the system works. What if your builder employs some pikeys without a licence. Is the householder liable or the builder ? Simon.
Answered in other post ! Simon.
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