Perpetual motion (continued)

[harryagain]

You are old fool, out of step idiot. Things can't go on as they are. Only half wits think they can.

[Tim Streater]

Don't worry. We'll talk to you again about that in the winter.

[harryagain]

Well I still produce power but the wind turbines will take over. It's called diversity.

[charles]

so, on hot summer nights with no wind - as we have at present - you have no power?

[The Natural Philosopher]

as well as cold winter days with no wind.

[Tim Streater]

Oh sure. You may have noticed the lack of power produced by wind while we have this high pressure over us producing the hot weather. Try that in winter, with freezing fog at the same time. Result: no wind or solar power over most of Northern Europe - for an extended period, just like now.

It's unreliable, y'see.

[The Natural Philosopher]

harryis a secret agent in the pay of fossil fuel companies, working to make renewable energy look as silly as it really is, by trotting out nonsense that any fule kno is nonsense. Lets face it, if being green means being like harry, whowouldn't want to be a climate denier instead?

[Tim Streater]

Any skoolboy, come to that, never mind fule.

[dennis]

He uses coal, gas and nuclear.

[harryagain]

I shalldofine on cold Winter days.

[harryagain]

Wind turbines and PV are only part of the solution.

[harryagain]

So you think the climate isn't changing?

[Nightjar]

The point is not whether it is changing, but why it is changing. The case for anthropomorphic change is not supported by any scientific proof. Even the IPCC is forced to admit it is simply the opinion of the experts they consulted and, despite their best efforts to fudge the results by not publishing actual figures, it seems likely that it was often a bare majority decision.

Colin Bignell

[Huge]

I don't think the climate is changing to be the shape of a human being.

Perhaps you mean "anthropogenic"? (Which is hardly better, since it means "causing human beings", but it seems to be the accepted term now.)

[Nightjar]

I love auto correcting spell checkers, don't you?

Colin Bignell

[Tim Streater]

Well you don't *have* to use one.

[Tim Streater]

And the other parts are?

[Nightjar]

You haven't seen what I type without it.

Colin Bignell

[The Natural Philosopher]

Wind turbines and PV are not even part of the solution.

[The Natural Philosopher]

To be honest, the last two years are exactly like two years I remember as a boy in the 1950s.

So I would probably say, 'depends on what timescale'

It certainly isn't as hot, or as cold as it has been in the past.

But its got warmer, and colder, and warmer and colder, twice in my lifetime over decades.

Certainly the days of growing tender plants - and expecting them to make it over the winter, have gone.

I stuffed in an escallonia in 2001, it lasted till 2011. Its dead now.

I think we have had 15 years of exceptionally warm winters and that's finished.

So whether that's the climate changing, or simply varying about a mean, is down to argument.