part P

[Stephen]

Hello,

I just posted a thread about wondering what would happen to someone fitting a non-condensing boiler and I got thinking about electrics and thought the same things apply.

Say you do some DIY rewiring and don't pay the council to check it. They say you will get in trouble when you move house. So if you never intend to move, what then? Why should moving make a difference? When I bought my house I did not ask to see receipts for the all/any work done. What is to stop people saying they have lost the receipt or that a particular light switch/socket/etc was fitted before they moved in?

It seems pretty unenforceable to me?

[Micky Savage]

It is.

Micky

[john]

It's all to stop the domestic houeholder paying cash to tradesmen and them not putting it through the books. Why do you think it is ok to do electrical work in commecial buildings without all the certifing because the tradesman usually gets paid by cheque

[The Medway Handyman]

Spot on John. Nail, hit, head.

[The Medway Handyman]

Cable colours changed from red/black/earth to blue/brown/earth about the same time as the regs, so 'they' could in theory tell if the cable was installed before or after part P came in.

[Tim S]

The Medway Handyman coughed up some electrons that declared:

But not quite enough at the same time to allow them to prove it. The date printed on the cable it more insidious, like the dates on double-glazed sealed unit separators.

Cheers

Tim

[gazz]

which is why people selling old colour cables on ebay are always able to sell what they want, apparantly if you can find a supplier of cables to hospitals it's the old colours too,

i did wonder aboug bodges people would try... using new colour cables, but cutting it a few inches short of the fitting, then joining on a little bit of old colour cable, anyone opening the fitting to check sees old colours, pre part p, so not checkable,

or if you wanted to be really dodgy, just cut the insulation off where it exits the outer sheath, and slip some old colour insulation over the conductor,

i know they could pull the cable out the wall to inspect it, but that's hardly likely unless they figure out what youve done.

[Kevin]

that's why still have a few drums about the house ;-)

[dennis]

The cable colours changed before part p so the work was done before part p even though the colours are new.

[Graham.]

Shouldn't that be brown/blue/earth (respectively)?

;-)

[The Medway Handyman]

As soon as I sent it I just knew....

:-)

[TheScullster]

"Stephen" wrote

If your house burned down due to dodgy wiring and you put in a huge insurance claim, the company might just be motivated to examine your house wiring a bit more closely (if any survived)! If there were datable bodges they might use this as an excuse not to pay?

Long shot but who knows?

Phil

[Owain]

like for like replacement, post Part Pee, not notifiable.

like for like replacement of a damaged pane, post Part 'ell, not notifiable. Like for like repair/replacement of a damaged frame, not notifiable. New window, notifiable.

Three new frames and six panes of glass later, your house still has the original windows :-)

Owain

[Dave Plowman (News)]

If that applies it would have too long before PP. However, they don't seem to refuse claims caused by dodgy wiring - unless of course it could be proved to be deliberate to cause the fire.

[Invisible Man]

The insurance company would want to investigate the cause of the fire. If it resulted from a.n. other's work they might be able to recover their outlay from a. n. other.

Somewhere in the policy conditions will be a requirement that you take reasonable care to maintain your property. Normally you would have to do something pretty stupid for them to invoke that condition. However as price comparison sites encourage policyholders to go for lower and lower premiums the insurance companies will be looking harder and harder at ways of minimising their outlays.

Fortunately I have lots of old colour cable.

[Mike Harrison]

..and of course they all have the same date as you bought them as a job lot....

[Ian_m]

My mate sold his house recently where he had done electrical work in the kitchen, moving and adding sockets for new appliances and electric plinth heater. Got a quote for Part P check (actually a IEEE compliance certificate as Part P has to be issued by installer) ay £375, which as this was about 4 times the cost of all the bits he had fitted, so he just forgot.

Anyway when moving, just ticked the "do not have/have lost" box on the solictors paperwork. Solicitors more interested in Fensa certificate for Windows (which he had lost).

[Owain]

Indeed, doesn't every prudent DIYer keep a full set of replacement windows in one of the sheds? ;-)

Owain

[ARWadworth]

Not at the hospitals I have worked at.

Adam