OT - Potholes in roads

I was prompted by a long standing pothole down the centre of the road outside my house . The gang turned up early on Sat and filled in the pothole in accordance with the worksheet and the yellow markings - they made a really neat job - but were not able to fix the growing extensions to this pothole that had opened up since the original one was surveyed. No doubt the extended damage will get repaired within 6 months - with an additional 'setting up' cost for the gang - and more joints in the patchwork.

I was wondering if there might be a way of saving some of the overheads - eg. The survey - the man with the wheel on a stick, the yellow marking, the compiling of it all into a tender document and specification, receiving bids / costings, approving the work, etc.

Replace all this non-value-adding activity with a suitably empowered gang with the materials, tools and the standards to go forth and fix problems - for audit purposes they would be required to take "before and after" photos and quantify the materials used. The result would be more common sense being applied and a reduction of overheads and lead times.

(But if this could be managed I wonder if the maintenance contractors where I work could fix the steam leak outside their door - as no managers will raise a formal request as it isn't on their own territory)

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John
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Have you tried reporting it via this site?

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my experience it seem to work. Mind you I did report 27 potholes in one day so the Highways people knew I was serious!

Peter Crosland

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Peter Crosland

Our potholes, untold numbers appear between the first lot being marked and them being mended, are usually filled very neatly. But they don't seem to apply a tack coat (thanks to Cormaic for that info.). And so the edges fail, the centres fail, the whole damn thing fails. And the original ones are back before the new ones are even marked.

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Rod

You are having a laugh.

This is council work.

I once rewired an empty council house (sub contracting I am not a council employee). Whilst I was there the council joiners turned up with a job sheet. One of the jobs was to put a new latch on the back gate. Kids had kicked the gate off the gate post. The council joiner fixed the latch to the gate whilst it was lying on the floor and then drove back to his depot for a new work sheet to allow him to fix the gate to the gate post.

Common sense and councils do not go in the same sentence.

Adam

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ARWadsworth

Unusual to have council joiners or indeed any trade professional nowadays. Competitive tendering (etc) has led to some very weird methods, both by the few council blue collar workers left and contractors. Common sense won't enter the contract.

Rob

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Rob

You're having a giraffe! Couldn't happen.

Medway Council reckon it costs them £140 to mend a pothole in a road. I'd be happy to do half a dozen a day for half of that.

A few years ago SWMBO had a minor prang at a junction where a side road had priority over the road she was on. No give way sign, no road markings that you could actually see, last maintained about 20 years previously. I wrote a snotogram to them & it was repaird in less than a week.

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The Medway Handyman
£140 to mend a pothole? with all that time drawing yellow lines and buying and insuring of trucks and the paperwork etc?

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george (dicegeorge)

Possibly. This side of the Pond, the ice melted, someone came along and marked the roads, and a week later the crews came along to fix the problems; I was impressed at how quickly it all got sorted out.

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Jules

The result would be tarmaccers carrying out surveying and recording responsibilities above their pay grade, and unemployed suveyors and inspectors.

The unions will never wear it.

Besides, someone still has to stand watching the hole whilst the others take three council HGVs on the Greggs run.

Owain

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Owain

Did they have special machinery or did they use the old methods we still use in the UK. I can't understand why it hasn't been 'productionised'. A little road planing gadget - some hot tar and then asphalt and stones - 2 minutes per pothole.

Must get the drawing board out!

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John

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John

I didn't see anything obviously unusual - just seemed to be a truck, a bunch of guys with shovels, small roller, that kind of thing. I think what they probably do is grind the duff stuff out and re-fill - maybe the UK process is more thorough in some way?

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Jules

We have in theory such a team but I'm not actually sure what they do. The ditches and gulleys are still blocked though some one does go around cutting the channels from the road into the ditches every so often.

As far as pot holes are concerned and after the frosty winter we have had, it's easier to tell the council where there are no potholes or damaged road surface...

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Dave Liquorice

As there are usually two departments involved in council house repairs (and other services) - the client department who authorises the works and the contract department who do the works (and both often have very long discussions on who's 'boss' to put it politely) - then it is quite possible that the poor sod in the middle (the workman) is only obeying his departmental managers orders to do only what is on his worksheet [1], irrespective of what *HE* *KNOWS* to be the proper thing to do.

Unfortunately this cannot be done for a number of reasons and some of these are: 1 - the 'gang' will not have control of the departments budget for such works. 2 - the 'gang' would not have the 'overall' picture of the pothole situation to enable them to prioritise the order of repairs. 3 - Councillors will not willingly allow the inception of such gangs as this 'undermines' their control over the works. 4 - the 'bitchy' public will not accept that for any number of reasons [2] - this list is certainly not exhaustive BTW,

Very often "Common sense, civility and and the public do not go in the same sentence" when they speak to their local council official!

[1] Very often under threat of disciplinary action - as the client department could refuse to pay for the unauthorised works. [2] The public are very often their worst enemies in these cases, as many of them will approach the council over the simplest of matters in such an aggressive way that it defies any logic or reason.

You disbelieve this, then take a flask of tea and a couple of sarnies and spend a day eavesdropping in the council offices.

Whilst parts of my reply are in jest, quite a bit of it actually goes on at a fairly high level in the council, and it it's usually the poor, innocent workman who is only doing what he is told (and very often will tell his 'boss' that what he's been told to do is wrong) is the one who gets the blame.

Never mind, councils always were a good target - what with holiday entitlements, a years sick pay, their car and telephone allowances, their final salary pension schemes...

Oh, and notwithstanding the fact that many of them deal with the odd obnoxious boss, bombastic councillors and the very fickle (and often foul-mouthed) general public - on a salary that I (and many others) wouldn't get out of bed for -- what do you expect, bloody miracles?

Woodworm

Sitting back and supping a rather large, and fine malt (whisky that is and not Horlicks)

Goodnight all!

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Woodworm

I went to get petrol today, and there was a dustcart parked in the lay-by beside the petrol station, and another district council flatbed truck on the forecourt, with half a dozen hi-viz clad council bods standing about in the adjacent park smoking. The girl in the petrol station mentioned that they were all still waiting for a supervisor to visit, since he was the only one allowed to pay for fuel!

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John Rumm

UK process generally consists of bunging some tarmac in the hole, whacking it down a bit, leaving a decent sized lump sticking up for the traffic to flatten, but not enough that when flattened that it will actually fill the hole. Vehicles then bounce over the partly filled hole, extending it rapidly and making it worse than it started out. Hole is repeatedly filled for many years until the road is eventually resurfaced, but proper repair is not done first, so surface subsides at original holes. Utility companies then dig it all up again within a couple of months anyway.

We actually have a road near here that had major tailbacks over a period of six months while they resurfaced the whole road - within two months, a snaking trench had been dug the whole length of it to lay cable for TV.

SteveW

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Steve Walker

Usually after several weeks of trying to chase down work-shy jobsworths with Teflon shoulders. Council workers seem to think that they are the centre of the universe and that the public should appear as supplicants rather than as customers.

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Steve Firth

I thing the best I have seen is when my parents estate was resufaced. Fisrt they did the road. A nice job of it too. Then the did the pavements. A load of hot tarmac was dumped on the new road surface ready to be shovelled onto the pavements leaving patches melted all over the new road.

Adam

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ARWadsworth

What really wound me up is that the entire road is bordered on both sides by farmland or grassland at the front if industrial sites - there was no need at all for the cable to be laid under the road. They have recently dug it up again to replace gas mains running the full length of the road - again they could have taken the opportunity to put a new one just to one side of the road.

SteveW

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Steve Walker

The council can do better than that. My girlfriend has a council house. She got a new bathroom fitted via the council. The old bathroom suite was placed into the front garden for collection. The council "enforcement" officer walked past her house whilst the work was being done and wrote to her about the state of her garden and told her to clear it up. Thick as pig shit the lot of them.

It took 4 letters to the council and one visit from them to show them that her kitchen was only 2 years old and that they had actually fitted it and that under no circumstances was the girlfriend allowing the council to fit a new kitchen under the home improvement scheme.

Councils seem to have rules, rules and rules but no idea.

Adam

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ARWadsworth

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