They do. In YorkshireEnglish "while" means "until", as it says in this online Oxford Dictionary:
while
preposition Northern english
Until. ?father will be happy while dinner time?
I agree there - and many bollards and stree lamps that are covered with a cone warning of electrical danger.
It is an area where you expect your car to be stoned for looking out through the windows.
Now who's 1st langauge isn't English ;-)
The roads in Sheffield are in a worse state than roads in Greece were in 1980.
I guess he was on the way to the lovely Northern General (no doubt a compet ent medical facility, but nevertheless a revolting eyesore of sprawling tat ). Pitsmoor is likely the shithole no-go area referred to. Truly awful.
On the subject of the roads in Sheffield, certainly the worst I have encoun tered anywhere. My car now has two cracked rear wheels and the wife's car j ust had its fourth spring breakage in 6 years. We drive like old fogies, so it isn't lack of mechanical sympathy that causes these problems. Next car will have to be an off roader.
Terry.
Mixed reviews for Pitsmoor on the WWW. Many of the people who live there speak quite highly of it. Perhaps, they are battle-hardened?
What I can say is that the weather forecast for Pitsmoor for the next few days is not at all good. Still, if you live in a poor area, you must expect poor weather.
It isn't a strange Northern deviation from normal English. It is a use that has been around for hundreds of years that has died out in other parts of England.
The OED has this Shakespeare quotation: a1616 Shakespeare Macbeth (1623) iii. i. 45 While then, God be with you. and these: 1662 W. Gurnall Christian in Armour: 3rd Pt. 197 The Apothecary gathers his simples in Summer, which haply he may not use while Winter. 1721 Coll. Polit. Lett. London Jrnl. 1720 14 Tho' he sweat and scrub while Doomsday. out of a total of nine quotations starting in 1450.
They'll have some difficulty with C and related languages then. Do they know this?
I'm still waiting for an 'If Maybe ...' test.
Or even a Cobol :-
Evaluate XXXX When Almost correct When Nearly Impossible End-evaluate.
I got trapped once, Was dropping something off for a friend, arrived at the address and drove into the car park behind the bin lorry. Posted the item and went back to the car to discover a barrier had risen. There were no signs at all. The raised barrier was painted with yellow lines but they were invisible when retracted into the surface. I had to find someone to let me out.
In message , Peter Duncanson writes
Even in normal English, there can be certain sentences where 'while' can have a certain connotation of 'until' - eg "Wait while I get dressed". However, "Wait while the red light shows" isn't one of them.
I assume they adjust to the different meanings of a few words in those "foreign" languages.
Worse than Blackburn, Lancashire?
Cheers
Not much point in a red light district being a 'no-go' area, I'd say. How do the clients get in?
Peter Duncanson formulated on Friday :
Despite being a Yorkshireman, I lost most of those Yorkshire speech oddities long ago. My new-ish partner is very (very) broad Newcastle and I really do struggle to understand her at times. I struggle not only with the accent, but often with the words too - A bowl is always a dish, a female is always a wife, there are numerous other examples :-(
Sez 'oo?
Bill
And daughters Ex is Scottish (I nearly said 'was' but he still is ) and would say stuff like 'That's me here' to tell us he had arrived at his destination?
I feel we may have the greatest range of (native even) dialects over a relatively short distance of most places in the World?
Cheers, T i m
p.s. Whilst I'm not particularly good at spelling, grammar or the technicalities of correct construction (but know I'm not), I don't understand how people get to say 'fink, fought and fanks', 'we was' and what seems to be getting more common, 'every/anythinK' instead of everythinG? (and not just those where it would make sense and who might also say 'everyfink') ... oh and the slightly more questionable 'aitch' (H) being pronounced 'haitch'?
There must have been a time in every family / generation when the parents stopped correcting their offspring ... and do I understand correctly that the teachers can't pull kids up on such things at school these days, even the English teachers (teachers of the English language I mean, who are probably mostly from somewhere else). ;-)
(I'm not suggesting any of the above is 'bad' as such, people are what they are, but if I was taught not to say 'we was', why weren't they (and at what point weren't their parents)?)
The bible is written in Yorkshire dialect. This proves that Yorkshire is Gods own country.
:-)
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