OT: More bad news for harry...

No, you meant T i m but wrote T I M because you can't even manage your newsreader, let alone realise who you are replying to through all that red-mist and Linux advocacy. ;-(

How you getting on with those Windows only apps you have to run in Windows because there is nothing on Linux that can replace them?

I just picked up a little second user Fujitsu Q550 tablet that came with Windows 7 Pro. I reinstalled W7 (clean start) and thought I'd try Mint 17 while I was there. It won't even boot in 'Compatible Mode' from the DVD so I couldn't even see how it coped with the touchscreen etc (W7 detected it automatically).

And that's a shame, with only an Atom processor and 2G of RAM I thought that it might be worth a try at least, but if the program I intend running on it, LogView doesn't come in a Linux version or is more difficult to install than clicking on one .exe file, then that sad Tomlinson troll / stalker is right, I'll not be bothered to try and 'make it work' under Linux as *I* actually have more interesting things to do and a life! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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T i m
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That is untrue. Windows10 is very reliable and most people that use linux do so because they have only used windows NT or earlier and don't have a clue like TNP.

Windows 10 has a lot of automated tools to ensure a none computer literate person can run it reliably.

If they follow the instructions/prompts the machine will be backed up automatically, check pointed automatically and fixed if anything goes wrong with little user intervention unlike linux.

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dennis

You could try

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on it. It has logging and lots of other things and is pretty resource light.

Don't tell TNP though as there is a bit of linux in it.

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dennis

You get 4.2p for what you generate on new installs. You can still get a profit at those rates using cheap and nasty chinese panels like harry has. You just won't reduce CO2 emissions by doing so.

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dennis

Yes, Linux is often 'more reliable' because *if* it doesn't even run in the first place it can't break! ;-)

I have and had many PC's and laptops here and I can state

*categorically* that every single one of them could run a Windows of some kind because they were *designed* to. *Many* of those same machines wouldn't run, or run fully / reliably any Linux of any kind because none of them were *designed* for Linux (so no surprises there).

Now, *if* Linux happened to run, *and* happened to fully support all the machine hardware *and* external hardware *and* supported the software I (or whoever) wanted to run then yes, Linux is / was generally as reliable as Windows, or more so if the user isn't quite so PC savvy. Can't really say for OSX versus Linux as I've never run Linux on a Mac (Mac hardware *designed* to run with OSX of course).

Of course, and I have installed Linux for many people, some of whom actually carried on using it for those very reasons. However, I still get nearly as many calls from them (had one last night as it happens) because 'something has gone wrong' and unfortunately, whilst I generally can and do get them going again, I can't do so with the same confidence as I would if it was Windows (or even OSX / Android for that matter).

And if I'm not about, who on earth could they get to help them? I've been around IT most my life (and still am) and I still do not know of a single Linux geek that I could go to for help. Loads of Windows, OSX and Android people and loads of real_actual_help to be found on the net or from people on the net. Unfortunately (as we often see here in this 'd-i-y' group), most Linux geeks are, well, in most cases 'different' shall we say, only offering Linux help under their terms. Like, 'you should *LEARN* Linux' ... even if you just want to be a user apparently? Of course, whilst it 'makes sense' that everyone

*using* anything even vaguely technical, know exactly how it works and how to maintain it, we all know that's rarely the case with a vast majority of the population (like how many know how a gearbox or ECU works, let alone be able to repair one).

Also, I have never seen such hair trigger killfiles and cries of 'liar' or that 'people are making stuff up' (even though logic and a quick Google would suggest otherwise) than I have in *any* of the Linux newsgroups. Not quite as bad on the Linux WEB forums because they are generally moderated and so the worst of the Linux fanatics and evangelists are either kept out or under restraint. ;-)

But am I surprised or do I blame them? No, of course not, if you are any minority group and feel ignored and therefore 'unheard' or 'unvalued' by the vast majority, of course your actions will become more and more frantic and bizarre in an effort to get recognised, till the time you start strapping explosives to yourself and walking into PCW, just to get 'heard'. ;-(

Unfortunately, no matter how bad Microsoft / Windows (or Apple / OSX) might be, Windows is the de-facto standard, 'most people' wouldn't or couldn't use Linux, even if you installed it for them for nothing (as I have found out) and part of that because of the sort of 'attitude' you typically see from the Linux geeks. What Linux is out there, specifically on the desktop (where 'real people go', not the same as servers or my router or TV) is there in spite of the geeks, not because of them.

But of course that's actually just as they want it ... you will only be accepted into the Linux 'community' if you declare your life and soul to Linux, turning your back on all the alternatives and so that becomes a very small (and sad) club indeed. They can carry on being the little demi-gods of their own fantasy worlds while the rest of the population carry on in the real one (where OS's are concerned anyway). ;-)

They are I have noticed (over many years of using, as an 'admin user', not a geek or fanatical - advocate) cowards, hiding behind their cowardly killfiles yet still think it's what a 'real man' would do by throwing stones over the top, in the hope that they hit the 'bad people' the other side. They are also often very confused, as we have seen with TNP in this very thread and previously, when it appeared he tried to help me with a Linux problem, asking for feedback and then accusing ME of not responding because he didn't happen to see my reply because of his cowardly kilfile!

You really can't make the whole sad thing up (although I'm sure that Tomlinson stalker / troll will try). ;-)

Luckily I have broad shoulders and consider that sort of thing my part in their 'care in the community'. If they are attacking me they (hopefully) won't be attacking anyone else. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

Ah, so the chances are it won't run on this tablet hardware as a quick Google seems it's not 'Linux compatible' (I'm not surprised however as even Linus accepts that the desktop (rather than server and let alone tablets etc) environment is hard for Linux).

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

'Generate and even use yourself' though?

All that most of them seem to care about (and what most of the systems are sold on).

No, whilst they may well be made in China, they will be badged as 'The latest technology from Germany' or whatever. ;-)

Or help to reduce the consumption of fossil fuels, according to that report. ;-(

I wonder what percentage of the energy required to make a solar panel comes from green energy sources?

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

Well once China builds enough nukes quite a lot could. ATM very little does.

It appears that China will export all the energy it gets from nukes as brain dead harrys will stop us generating our own.

I expect we will reprocess Chinas nuclear waste and get the waste without getting the benefit of the power.

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dennis

Windows10 is very unreliable and most people that use linux do so because they have used windows NT or later and have a clue, like TNP.

Except as this thread demonstrates, they dont work.

there, corrected that for you.

Windows 10 is turning into the best advert for Linux there is.

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The Natural Philosopher

Linux has had several opportunities to get it's foot in the door with ordinary desktop users with Vista and W8 etc but still managed to miss the boat.

Why? Well, partly because very few have ever heard of it and of those who have haven't tried it and those who have have generally been 'put off' the first time they try to install their favourite program and game to only learn 'Linux isn't Windows'. It's a similar thing when trying to find a 'Linux compatible' printer or any external hardware for that matter, where it can often be a matter of 'research' or 'pot luck'. Not much good when you find something isn't actually supported and then try to get tech support or your money back.

You 'This doesn't work with / on Linux.'

Them 'Sorry sir, doesn't work with what?'

You 'Linux, the best OS in the world'.

Them 'Sorry sir, if it doesn't mention it on the box then you shouldn't have bought it ...'

Cheers, T i m

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T i m

Amazing how thick you are. "Used " nuclear fuel is processed to get the remaining Uranium out of it. The waste is what's left. This last is what they don't know how to deal with.

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harry

Wrong as usual.

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harry

What about the waste from one million families of four, or 100 million ...

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DavenPort

Well that's what Tesco makes its profits on, innit?

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The Natural Philosopher

Not so. According to statistics relating to a Cambridgeshire installation (the green bar chart) even in the winter months of Dec and Jan output was almost 20% of peak summer output while that for February was approaching 40%

The other bar chart based on generic data appears to say much the same thing.

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Quite why Tim is so obsessed with Winters being "cold" when in fact solar panels are more efficient at lower temperatures, as can be confirmed with a two minute Google, is maybe something only he can explain.

Except of course he won't.

michael adams

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michael adams

The linux people have rights to that as in "if it doesn't work with linux you were stupid to buy it".

Reply to
dennis

As I have already told you, there is no mystery about what to do with the very small amount left after reprocessing. It is stored while it cools, after which it can safely be put back underground.

Reply to
Nightjar

If it's cold, dope, then I need *more* energy for heating, and for longer, just at a time when the panels are providing *less*, and for a shorter period of time.

Seems simple enough to me.

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Tim Streater

I think you see in that post the true Harrytroll

He is not even trying to be reasonable or make sense

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The Natural Philosopher

Except that has no relevance to the point you were making, has it ?

"in winter, when it's dark and cold, you have bugger-all solar energy"

( The fact that you snipped it, is simply a coincidence of course)

You were solely concerned with the supply.

Although far from there being "bugger all" as you claim, it would appear that in Cambridgeshire at least, ouput in Winter is 20% of that in Summer.

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(You snipped all that as well, it goes without saying)

It could only possibly "seem simple" to someone such as yourself, who is seemingly incapable of distinguishing between "supply" and "demand".

That's "supply" as in - "bugger all solar energy"

and

"demand" as in - "I need more".

michael adams

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michael adams

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