OT- Lower fat Chinese meals

Hi all, I visit a local Chinese restaurant in the UK, about twice a month with family.

I have been following a low fat and sugar diet to lose weight and control diabetes.

From the menu, I have had several times their: "Rice Noodle Soup" that has Chicken, Pork, King Prawns and vegetables in what could be a chicken stock.

That is the only information the menu gives about it, I enjoy this and would feel even happier if it is classed as the type of meal that is indeed good for a low fat/sugar diet.

From searches it seems this dish varies greatly between different Chinese restaurant's , apart from asking to speak to a chef, if I could understand them, would anyone have any thoughts on the dish please?

Mick.

Reply to
Mick IOW
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You need a low carbohydrate diet. Starch is as bad as sugar or alcohol. Frankly fat is a non issue. Losing weight is simply about total calories, but diabetes is ALL about fast release starches and sugars.

That's fine except for the noodles.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Or more exercise.

Cite any references, apart from it contains calories.

The control of diabetes is all about eliminating fast release of sugars.

Starch is generally not considered to be "fast release".

However you can be certain that all carbohydrates turn to sugars.

Except the meat has a higher density of calories / kg.

Some places are now quoting calories, ironically places like McDonalds!

Reply to
Fredxxx

+1 to all of that.
Reply to
Chris Hogg

You really need both.

The web is full of them for anyone who cares to look. The OP needs to look up Glycemic Index on the web. It's a measure of how rapidly a fixed amount (100g IIRC) of a carbohydrate increases blood sugar after a fixed time period. There are extensive tables of the GI of all sorts of carbohydrate-containing foods out there.

That's far too simple. It depends on the starch, and in particular on it's structure. The starch predominating in sticky 'pudding rice', amylopectin, is digested significantly faster than the starch in Basmati rice for example, predominantly amylose.

Protein and carbohydrate have about the same calorific value, at 4 kcal/g; fat has approximately twice that, at about 8 or 9 kcal/g. It's one reason why the body stores excess calories as fat: it's the most efficient way of storing them.

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Chris Hogg

Turnip - no matter how bad your diet, it wouldn't account for your inability to understand the explanations you were given about how SSDs work earlier this week.

This is the thread:

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You're not supposed to eat micro-chips, you know! :-)

Now, how about posting links to your sources?

Reply to
pamela

If that's all you have, and you don't feel any ill effects after it, I don't think it plays a large part in your overall diet.

Owain

Reply to
spuorgelgoog

Try searching for LCHF (Low Carbohydrate High Fat) diets.

Low sugar is not enough for T2 diabetics - you need to eliminate as many carbohydrates as possible. At a minimum you need a blood glucose tester so that you can test before and two hours after a meal to see how the food has affected your BG levels.

The theory that fat is bad for you is under a lot of pressure at the moment; modern studies suggest that high cholesterol is not the daemon it was claimed to be either.

From my personal experience, carbohydrates are addictive; eat them and you are hungry for more. Avoid them and the cravings go away.

A diet high in protein and natural fats may have more concentrated calories, but usually you feel full sooner and hungry again a lot later so the overall calorie intake is lower.

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So to finally answer some of your question - the soup looks fine; shame about the rice noodles. Various proteins and vegetables in a chicken stock look pretty good.

Best of luck with losing weight.

I do hope you have a BG tester; if not please consider getting one and then you could {cough} DIY. ;-)

Cheers

Dave R

Reply to
David

Yes. loads of lean meat and good vegetables lasts you a day. A peanut butter sandwich lasts about 30 minutes.

What fattens us is flour, mainly. And alcohol.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Nope - I sup 5 pints of home brew a night and eat bread. I am 6ft 2ins and 12st 6lbs. Two eggs and black pudding at 0600, steak and potato at 1800, beer and a bit of cheese 1800-2200. Up at 0400, plus 4 hours of hill walking.

Lost 1 stone since 4JUL16.

Reply to
Simon Mason

It was part of O-level biology when I did it many decades ago. Amylase in your saliva breaks down starch into various sugars, and further enzymes in your intestines break those down into glucose.

A practical demo we all did was to test starch powder for sugar - none. Now take a spoon of it into your mouth, swill it around with saliva, spit out, and test again - it now shows as sugar. (Can't remember what the indicator we used for sugar was.)

Something discovered relatively recently is that reheated pasta is very much slower release than freshly cooked pasta. I haven't seen an explanation, but most likely the starch molecules have changed form such that they are harder to break down. I would imagine this might apply to noodles too, although the testing was with pasta.

I believe they have to by law now.

Reply to
Andrew Gabriel

The mantra is 'calories in = calories out + calories stored'

Actually, if you measure 'calories in', i.e. what you eat, rather than 'calories absorbed', then 'calories out' should include calories excreted into the loo, as well as calories burnt during exercise, to get a proper calorie balance. If you eat (i.e. absorb) more calories than you burn off with exercise or whatever, the excess calories are stored as fat. Your 'calories out' obviously exceeds your 'calories in', so your 'calories stored' (as fat) are negative.

As far as blood glucose is concerned, I find that a glass of wine with a meal or a whisky in the evening, lowers my subsequent blood glucose.

Reply to
Chris Hogg

Yes, I recall. Its starts off the process, but still takes up to an hour for the broken down starch to enter the blood stream. Much quicker for the basis sugars.

I thought it was voluntary after threats and bad publicity.

I rarely see such numbers elsewhere.

Reply to
Fredxxx

ER no.

Up to' is a very flexible term.

Confronted with a diabetic whose blood sugar is below the consciousnesses level, the safe remedy is to get them somehow to chew bread or patsa.

Within ten minutes they will start talking sense again.

BTDTGTTS

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Ah. That explains the brain damage.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

I doubt that you could get that diet recommended on the NHS.

Given that if everyone followed the regime you outline there would probably be a lot fewer unfit overweight people but not many people would be able to manage on six hours (at most) sleep at night nor find the time (or even the hills) for four hours hill walking per day.

So not really a practical regime to support/deny a LCHF diet.

If you are exercising a great deal, and fasting for 12 hours during the exercise, then you are probably not likely to have major blood glucose problems during the day (although beer and skittles in the evening are more likely to cause problems over night).

I think we may be looking for a more practical mainstream approach.

Cheers

Dave R

Reply to
David

So a choice between fast acting and slow acting poison? :-)

Reply to
David

The safest way is something like dextrose that dissolves and enters the blood stream far quicker than any starch. Glycemic Index is highest for native sugars apart from Fructose it seems.

The difference between a hypo and feeling acceptably OK is very little, so any blood sugar entering the body will have a profound effect on someone suffering a hypo.

Reply to
Fredxxx

Faced with an unconscious diabetic, do you

a) Try to get them to chew bread or pasta, presumably by stuffing it into their mouth

b) pour glucose down their throat, or administer intravenously

You have one hour to answer this question

HTH

Reply to
Moron Watch

A lot depends on whether you have IV kit available, or pure glucose in solution.

Personally if someone is unconscious I would be disinclined to pour anything down their throat.

Anyway I didn't say they were unconscious., In this case we were just able to get the bloke to take a reading and focus on what it meant ' I should be unconscious' he finally mumbled.

It is well know that sugars and carbohydrates are both sources of inconsiderable amounts of blood sugar spiking, although sugar and glucose is quicker, and its pretty well established that they are faster release than some vegetables and fruit, and will therefore cause a blood sugar crash later on when you get hungry and do it all over again.

Carbohydrates are literally addictive, and the excess energy they provide is what leads to weight gain.

What you need is a diet that is full of vegetables and fruit, lean meat and fish and indeed fat but almost totally lacking in carbohydrates.

And sensible exercise.

That way you get all the minereals and vitamins, but not the calories and not the blood sugar rollercoaster

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

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