OT(ish) - lies, damned lies and ballet dancers (Grauniad)

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Yes - gel is far quicker than a soap bar. Don't care if it costs more.

[Tim Streater]

harry, Jonno, and a few others are turnips, it stands for "typically underdeveloped runt, no intelligence provided". Simples.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Mr Rees-Turnip. Self appointed sage of this group.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Well apparently he means me, but I don't have any sock puppets, so basically Rod the morpher is lying as per usual.

[Jonno]

Tim Streater scribbled

We know you're not a sock, you're just the turnip licker.

[Jonno]

Dave Plowman (News) scribbled

Look at the turnips reply to Huge, it appears he forgot who he was when he replied.

[Tim Streater]

I'm not a turnip licker, I'm a turnip licker's son, I'll go on licking turnips til the turnip licking's done.

[Jonno]

Tim Streater scribbled

Suppose that accounts for you being on your knees most Sundays.

[John Rumm]

No, I would not want to go that far! Perhaps just that there are relative levels of technical illiteracy, with that one setting the lower fixed point!

[michael adams]

It was an opinion piece. A polemic, headed

Ethical and green living Opinion

Written by an environmental blogger with an unpronounceable name who may or may not have been paid very much. Unlike a full time Guardian staffer, assuming there are any left of course.

And was In the paper's Comment is Free section

Basically it was clickbait, which seems to have worked as it generated 3419 comments. To say nothing of the comments on here

The "Guardian" was among the first newspapers to pay an serious attention to personal computers, other than odd bits here and there elsewhere, with an entire pull out computer section starting as far back in 1985.

But even in back in the good old days when they actually had paid readers, all newspapers needed to appeal to the general reader, rather than nerds; and so they needed to employ journalists who could write for that general reader on a wide variety of topics. Hence to the specialist or the especially knowledgeable a lot of what appears in newspapers may well seem to him or her quite simply wrong or overly simplistic at best.

Which isn't to say that in the past there haven't been authoritative voices writing across a variety of different titles. But those days are probably gone.

michael adams

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[michael adams]

I somehow doubt, even in the days when it was a broadsheet with weekend supplements "The Guardian" could have coped with the amount of effluent you pump out on a regular basis

From both ends, it maybe goes without saying.

michael adams

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

When I see comments like that about a paper, it would be nice to know what the writer reads himself. In his case, probably The Mail.

[michael adams]

He probably gets to see it after the wife and the daily woman have finished with it.

michael adams

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[Vir Campestris]

Keep talking guys. My new shower is still on the drawing board. Now we have a second bathroom the bath in the main one can go ;)

Andy

[Tim Lamb]

Everything is under consideration!

Impending new house re-model. By re-jigging the existing bathroom, I can fit a 1200x800 shower. There will be a bath/toilet/basins/bidet next to the master bedroom but I am getting pressurised about a wet room! I think this stems from my wife having seen one installed at the home of a disabled friend. My sole experience was one in a hotel bedroom in Sweden.

ISTM you need underfloor heating, lots of air extraction, heated towel rails and...? There may be space in the new ground floor extension but is it going to be used or just a feminine fad about cleaning bathrooms?

Also, what is two basins per bathroom about? His and hers? Joint occupation?

[Huge]

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IMNHO wet rooms suck donkey dick. Everything gets damp, it's impossible to get yourself properly dry. What you're creating is a giant shower cubicle; why would you want to keep the entire contents of your bathroom in the shower cubicle? Much better to have a walk-in shower.

[Mike Tomlinson]

En el artículo , Tim Lamb escribió:

It's great. No silly screens to bang your elbows against, no silly curtain to cling to you.

Basically a fully tiled room with a giant rose sticking out of the ceiling. It's not power driven, the mains water pressure is high. Runs off a 28kW combo. Wall mounted thermostatic controls (simple ones: water on/off and temperature. No daft electronics to go wrong)

In winter, yes. Or leave the shower running a couple of minutes before jumping in and the hot water soon warms the floor.

extractor fan with humidistat.

Cleaning is easy. When finished showering, leave the water running, throw a bit of washing up liquid about and wash down all surfaces with one of those telescopic window cleaning efforts. Two minutes.

[Tim Lamb]

In message , Mike Tomlinson writes

Hmmm.. Including toilet, basin etc?

Concur on the *silly curtain* bit but a decent shower base avoids elbow banging. I suppose there are long term geriatric considerations.

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[Jim Bank]

IMO they are only viable with a separate toilet which is the only way to go regardless of how the bathroom is done.

[David]

Wet rooms are a "good thing" if you recognise that in the future you may be less mobile, perhaps even wheelchair bound.

Our ground floor wet room is roughly 1.8m * 2.4m and include a wash hand basin and toilet.

Large sliding door as well.

All planned out with special dipped area for the shower, but one newbie c*ck up.

We laid the main floor flat because we thought the dished area would gather up all the water.

We should have put a very slight slope on the floor as well, into the corner where the shower is.

We ended up with a shower curtain as well to minimise the slow trickle of water towards the door.

No underfloor heating (but we have insulated suspended floors).

We have a heated towel rail as part of the CH but the wet room is in the centre of the house so doesn't need much heating.

Lots of air extraction, yes, but this is the standard for the other rooms as well. The space above the wet room is where the extractor fans sit. A bit like a nest of space age rugby balls.

Wet rooms are good as long as you recognise that the name tells it all - the room gets wet. So you need space between the shower and the rest of the room. You can get very nice free standing glass panels if you are planning for the fully mobile, but these conflict with wheel chair access.

Cheers

Dave R