OT: If it were a poll ...

[spuorgelgoog]

I wouldn't, but then I'm not a contestant on The Apprentice.

Owain

[Tim Streater]

Well, in fact we do. It's a bit more like this (from a letter to the Times):

Dear Sir, Today I biffed a Remain voter over the head and took £350 from his wallet. He looked a bit sad so I gave about half of it back, but only on condition that he spent most of it as I told him to, and that in each case we took a joint selfie with a notice saying I had given him the money in the first place. He was really happy with that and said he couldn't live without me! We're going to meet up tomorrow and do it all again. Yrs etc.

[T i m]

Understood.

Except, all the reactions can have 'a cost' and it's ok when you know

*exactly* what that cost is *before* you 'make the break'.

If you move house you might spend some time in the new neighbourhood at different times of day to see what it feels like *before* buying. Trying the shops and station etc.

You would go out with a new woman (for some time) after your divorce and before marrying her.

You would have a tour round a new job premises before joining.

None of these are essential of course, but probably desirable.

It's only now, *after* the effect that we are *starting* to learn / understand the full implications (restrictions / benefits) of our potential withdrawal from the EU and I think it's way more complicated and complex than many / most imagined. And I don't think we have even scratched the surface yet.

Like, how many people predicted a near 100% 'Remain' from Scotland and that they might then break away from us and try to join the EU on their own? There was even (joking) talk of London doing the same! ;-)

What if you had said to voters as they went in the poling station .. 'Remember, how you vote could break up the UK'...

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

Except, what is the whole / complete / honest picture?

I'm guessing you *must* have and fully understand the *entire* financial model and full business relationship we have with the EU and also those of all the other states before daring to use such as justification for any particular course of action?

Care to share them with us and then we too can be as sure as you we have the right decision.

Thanks (on behalf of the majority of the population of the UK) in advance ...

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I'm really hoping it isn't just something you read in a red top, on a banner on the side of a bus, heard from a bloke down the pub or direct from NF at the UKIP HQ meeting?

[T i m]

Hehe (about right from what little I've seen of it).

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

And that's the worrying thing, you would go ahead without actually knowing any detail of this actual situation?

So, potential total market of 33, we sell 16 (competitors sell 17), they sell at 10,000 each and cost 900,000 total to bring to market.

Or not ... and that's my point ... you (we) can't possibly decide what's best for us until we know (and understand) all the facts. And remember I have no dog in this fight as I spoiled my paper so it's just about making an *educated* and fully considered decision.

Something you have just nicely demonstrated and I even gave you some clues with the number of people polled and the predicted costs. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Capitol]

You are spouting rubbish. I won't bother to explain why. Please go away and get sales, marketing, investment educated before posting any more crap.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Gosh. How ever does anyone make a decisions when they aren't in possession of ALL the facts and the correct answer isn't blindingly obvious?

"I want to drive to Gatwick" "You cant possibly do that!" "Why ever not?" "Because the M25 might be blocked!" "It isn't now" "But some idiots might have an accident" "OK Ill use the A23" "But that might be blocked too. You cant make a major decision without knowing all the facts" "So what should I do? Stay at home?" "Well yes of course!" "But what if my house should burn down?"

Deafening silence.

No one knows all the facts about the future, that's why its - The Future!

[michael adams]

Of course you would. Because as you say it's a "no brainer".

Funnily such problems which don't require a brain would seem especially suited to somebody like yourself. But even here it seems you've failed, and miserably too.

Being the top notch businessman that you are, did it never occur to you throughout your entire career, that the cheaper you price your product as compared with your competitors, the more you're likely to sell ? And so the greater the percentage in any sample who are likely to say yes ?

Really ? The marketing costs of polling 33 people in the street, are minimal. To make a profit not only does the price have to cover manufacturing costs, fixed overheads etc. but also marketing costs. Anyone can give away 33 of anything in the street. Shifting a warehouse full of the things which this staff of yours are churning out by the hour, won't be quite as simple. Or had you not thought that far ahead ?

Well there you go then; those days are now over for you. Now you know all about pricing and marketing.

Anyway that's one fantasy career shot to smithereens.

I wonder what's coming up next ? You weren't also an airline pilot by any chance were you ? Or a roadie for the Stones, or a captain in the SAS ?

michael adams

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[Bob Martin]

Feeling guilty, huh?

[The Natural Philosopher]

No, completely justified. I always felt that the ruling elite were a bunch of arrogant clueless wankers and as I watch them in headless chicken mode, I know I was right.

It gonna be painful, like sticking a burning cigarette on your skin to make the leeches drop off, but boy, it will be worth it.

[whisky-dave]

If there were only 16+17=33 people in the market then provided I could still make a profit I'd make that product.

But what if there are 27 other people that might buy the product... that's the important bit. And as they havent; said they would buy it I'd have to assume they won't in order to set the correct price point for me to profit.

I wouldn't personally.

I've been asked by a female chinese student for pink insulating type, not sure why she can't use the other colours I keep red, green, blue, white , grey black, purple, yellow, brown etc..

when I suggetsed maybe we should get pink soldering irons/tools to attract female students as apparntly we need to attract more female engineering students they thought I was being sexist. But it seems OK for a female to request pink but not for me to suggest it.

Anyway why doesn't the euro flag have pink in it.

[whisky-dave]

Nigil Farage said 48/52 didn't prove much.

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Nigel Farage said back in May that 52-48 win for the Remain side in the EU referendum would be ?unfinished business?.

In an interview with the Mirror the Ukip leader said such a narrow margin w ould prompt him to fight for a second referendum.

He said: ?In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business b y a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.?

but who'd listen to him.

Should be best of 3 we need 3 referedums ;-)

[pamela]

A pink soldering iron seems like a good idea. My yellow Antex shows the scuff marks too easily and pink would be so much more practical. lol

Not sure about the pink insulating tape though. No. That's not going to work. Maybe she mixed up your insulating tape with that decorative Washi tape stuff which is all the rage these days.

[tabbypurr]

If my products appealed to 48% of people I'd be delighted.

It may be a narrow majority, but it is a majority, and the majority has spoken. To run with what the minority wants isn't justifiable.

NT

[T i m]

But you might not if the market wasn't sufficient big to return your investment?

Yes, if taken at face value they have ... of all those who voted.

No one has suggested that, what many are asking is 'was this really the right or reasonable *decision* of the majority of the

*population*', as might be voted *now*.

Ok, some double glazing rep turns up at your parents house and by pushing a load of lies and empty promises, gets them to sign up for DG at twice the realistic price.

Now, they have the money (so could afford it) and probably won't outlive any losses they might experience over a technically superior product (at the same price) but they have mentioned the deal to their friends and family and many (who cared / expressed an opinion) that they were paying over the top.

And *that's* why they introduced a 'cooling off period' for such things because people who don't know better, or feel forced into making a decision or are just caught on the hop, can undo their mistakes before it's too late.

*No one*, NO ONE I respect the judgment of has as yet demonstrated to me unequivocally that either Leaving or Remaining would be the right thing to do 100%.

Reason? Because NO ONE knows. All many are realising is there was more to the UK being part of the EU than they may have first realised and so like your parents in the example above, may *now* like to change their vote.

If the Law (and possibly an EU one) can allow 'consumers' a (say) 14 /

30 day 'cooling off period for something like DG, why the hell not for something that is as big as leaving the EU (or not).

I'm not saying that we should do anything other than make sure more people know the full facts (after they have been investigated) and ask us to vote again. At lest that way the 'decision' will be one that was better considered and may *actually* represent the majority of the

*population*.

Now, if it turns out that the case is positive to change from the status quo then so be it.

Cheers, T i m

[tabbypurr]

What kind of mad investment could fail to be returned if 48% of 65 million people want your product? Any product 48% of the population want is a win - if you can't figure that out, don't go into business.

It's a majority full stop.

That is the only other option

Well they've voted. So that rather does wrap that one up.

People had a long time to decide. Cooling off time ended on voting day.

They can't. Grow up.

People had far more than 14 days.

People have been free to air their views of the facts for ages. They have.

Seriously the only possible justification there is you didn't get your way.

Uhuh. The people have had ages to think and have spoken. Grow up.

NT

[The Natural Philosopher]

It's extraordinary. The media are egging all this on.

They hate the people.

[The Natural Philosopher]

AS predicted, more integration and let turkey in.

The EUSSR marches on

[T i m]

I didn't / don't have 'a way' so that's BS.

It's a shame that you are so unsure that you wouldn't get *your way* if there was a second vote 'now', just because the people are better informed.

You are obviously happy that *just* 4% of those who voted voted Leave and you are happy that 17% of the voting population decide for everyone else.

You are happy because of what you are you don't (therefore) have the ability to understand anything outside your own black and white world. ;-(

Cheers, T i m